Kenny wrote,
"The very same. BTW sound is not transmitted through speaker wire/cable but rather a signal."
He’s a clever one. En garde!
lol
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Kenny928 wrote,
"...before I attended an engineering university I was duped into buying expensive wires and such."
Sorry, I’m not buying it. Nobody talks that way. Chances are looking good it's just some troll on a Harley.
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I worked for both LM and NG as well and doubt that either is aware of wire directionality. Why would they be? Besides wire Is directional only insofar as sound is concerned. And to my knowledge neither LM nor NG have any audiophile divisions. Are there Lockheed Martin speakers or Northrup Grumman cables? In addition, satellite, microwave and other wireless systems are not directional so who really cares about wire? Perhaps if we all join together we can get NASA to do a study. Or MIT or AES or DARPA.
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Kenny928 wrote,
"That's the fun about this hobby. Unfortunately, this industry is akin to that of the computer industry, what's hot toady is not tomorrow. Remember the future proof components of years past?"
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mapman
13,241 posts
05-04-2016 9:07pm
"It seems many are conditioned these days to accept being lied to. It's very sad."
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" - Chicken Little
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Mapman wrote,
"Must say you are very reliable always popping up when Summoned."
I like your new avatar, by the way. I’m just guessing but is that supposed to be you and Batman? Or the Teletubbies?
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Mapman wrote,
"A little knowledge and recognizing extreme uncompromising views goes a long way for cutting through the bs and there is plenty of that whenever there is money to be made by easily fooling people."
Emphasis on the phrase "a little knowledge." Ever heard the expression "knowing just enough to be dangerous?"
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Kenny928 wrote,
"BTW, I write and speak for a living, hence the unfamiliar pattern of writing."
Oh, it's not unfamiliar. It's very familiar.
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Kenny928 wrote,
"geoffkait - My ADHD kicking in. Good catch! LOL! BTW, USN vet here, and thank you for your service!"
Good for you. I worked on boomers myself. But strictly as a civvie.
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mapman
13,251 posts
05-05-2016 1:14pm
Geoff have fun jibing. Me no play. Just stay on topic.
Looks like another post from the Mapman with nothing of any import in it. Like any troll he just cannot stay away. Whenever there is some action, a chance to stake his claim, there you’ll find Mapman, over posting. Looking on the bright side, he scored another easy post, No. 13,251. Besides, you're wasting your bullets on me. I am invincible.
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Mapman wrote,
"How about addressing that and calling a cease fire on all personal attacks or judgements."
Gee Whiz, Mapman, look who’s talking. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. It seems to me you oft mistake serious debate for personal attacks, why it’s almost as if it’s your way or the highway. If you don’t like the heat get out of the kitchen. It also looks, suspiciously, on top of everything else, like you wish to be the moderator here. Give us a break.
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KennyG28 wrote,
"asp307 - When it comes to money, yes, has nothing to do with me proving how smart I am. I am just trying to generate a discussion on what is transpiring in the industry. The smart consumer is an educated consumer. Would you buy a car on pure hype? Much like the vitamin industry claims can be made without any substance. Just look at Machina Dynamica's Brilliant Pebbles! Type that into oogle's search engine and tell me that that will do what it claims! I have a friend with a 30K system and he actually bought these! Really?"
Now, I'm definitely getting a bad feeling.
geoff kait
Machina Dynamica
we do artificial atoms right
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Mapman wrote,
"Geoff, those teletubbies would kick your invincible butt! Don’t think otherwise."
My Teleportation Tweak eats Teletubbies for breakfast. What chance do you have?
Look, let me give you some advice while we’re or least I am on the subject. If you want to be somebody and be a big star in the eyes of the Naysayers and Pseudo Skeptics and other assorted tweakaphobes, obviously something to which you aspire. Contact Better Business Bureau or Consumer Protection Agency or even AES or NASA or whoever you think the proper authorities are and report my Teleportation Tweak, the Super Intelligent Chip, Brilliant Pebbles, the Particle Accelerator, Dark Matter and/or the Quantum Temple Bell and explain to them how upset you are and that I’ve broken some unspoken rules of marketing or product naming conventions and that I’ve broken actual Laws of Science or Physics or whatever and that even though you’re not exactly sure what those laws are, there must certainly be some!
Be sure and let us know how that works out for you.
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kenny928 OP
47 posts
05-04-2016 4:56pm
BTW sound is not transmitted through speaker wire/cable but rather a signal.
That seems like an odd way to look at it, you know, since the signal is transmitted through wire/cable. Wouldn't that dictate that sound is also transmitted through wire/cable?
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Uncledemp wrote,
"I read and try to learn in these forums but it is very, very difficult to build a foundation of knowledge that isn’t undermined or disputed by seemingly educated people.
I’m happy with my system- or possibly too ignorant to know the difference. Ignorance is bliss in my case, but I am still curious as to the lack of consensus regarding scientific principles."
I suspect there actually isn’t so much argument over the scientific principles although there probably is some, but the real arguments are over why a thing would sound better than another thing when the measured scientific parameters are essential identical or perhaps even not as good. There are of course other arguments in these forums with regard to many controversial devices and tweaks that seem to defy scientific labeling or characterization or are otherwise mysterious as to operating mechanism. Thus, in the audio hobby, IMO, if one wishes to trace back and find the scientific explanation in a textbook why some things sound better than others or why certain audio techniques or innovations work might not be possible. And one cannot look even to NASA, Lockheed Martin, AES, MIT or the National Science Foundation to provide answers.
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ihor
16 posts
05-07-2016 9:41am
"Regardless how one feels about expensive cables and such and all the stated claims of audio nirvana (although I do find the Brilliant Pebbles appalling and amusing at the same time - how soon before we start seeing $100 plus ’audiophile’ grade Scotch tape for attaching the pebbles (take a look at their website!!!) (Pet Rocks for the audio crowd!), such items pose major concern to our ’hobby.’"
While I can certainly understand your angst and disquiet regarding Brilliant Pebbles as well as your well-meaning concern for our hobby, however I think it’s only fair to point out the success of Brilliant Pebbles in terms of sales over the ten or more years since it was introduced as well as the apparent fact that Brilliant Pebbles and similar audiophile products actually seem to have helped our hobby in a terms of improving the sound of audiophiles' systems and being excellent conversation starters and subjects for debate.
For those unfamiliar, Brilliant Pebbles is the first and only audiophile mineral crystal based product to address a broad range of audiophile issues comprehensively. Brilliant Pebbles was introduced at the Hi Fi Show in London about 12 years ago.
geoff kait
machina dynamica
Advanced Audio Concepts
no goats no glory
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viridian
3,663 posts
05-07-2016 2:41pm
"Ihor, if you wish to buy $100.00 Scotch tap you will need to contact Peter Belt not Geoff."
I knew audiophiles were fond of Scotch but having expensive Scotch on tap is new to even these ears.
cheers
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Ihor wrote,
"... that just roll their eyes about investing in quality audio systems after browsing ads, magazines, and websites and seeing $1,000+ cables, $2,000 plus cartridges, $3,000K DACs and other such costly items."
Actually you are underestimating the high end prices enormously. If they just rolled their eyes at your prices one imagines their eyes would pop out of their heads entirely if they saw what the high offers the well heeled audiophile today: $24,000 interconnects, $15,000 cartridges, $30,000 DACs and $100,000 turntables.
cheers
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Danvignau wrote,
"Let’s us also not forget that the reason we have such great tubes/valves-for-the-aficionado, is that the USSR was so far behind us in electronics that they perfected their tubes for use in MIG radar. That is why tubes come from Russia and China.
TRIVIA: When turning and firing their cannons, MIG pilots had to compensate for the gravitational forces on the stretching elements in the tube radar."
For voice communication tubes are the cat’s meow. It actually wasn’t until the late ’80s that the pilot to controller radios in all the FAA centers were converted over from tube electronics to solid state since there was an availability issue. Unfortunately the advantages of Russian amd Chinese tubes don’t actually crossover to high end tube electronics you know do to the superiority of American and British NOS tubes. I will give the Russians props for using tubes in fighter aircraft, which employed tubes for the communication section, too, all the way up to the Mig-31, as tubes are certainly superior to solid state when it comes to withstanding high over pressures results from nuclear explosions.
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