How much “suspension of disbelief do you need?”

When people who are in a band tell me that they have never heard a stereo that sounded as accurate as mine, where they are able to discern rim shots, listen to the original to better reproduce it and such, I know that I am close. As resolving as my system is, I still want a hair more. I can't say whether that will be sufficient or not because I am not yet there, but I believe that I am nearly there. Well recorded vocals that do not have instruments drowning out spatial details do render a "you are there" reproduction on my system, but then they were so engineered, because most were not recorded with a single stereo microphone. Different producers and engineers achieve different levels of realism. It's much like 18'th century scientists saying that science is akin to thinking God's thoughts after Him as they discovered different things. I hear pretty much what the engineer intended us to hear, assuming a good enough system to do so. You know when you are there when most of your recordings sound good. Subjective, sure, it's all you have after the fact. Listening fatigue is none existent for some fortunate people who's systems don't resolve differences in cables, and in the less fortunate, it drives them to attempt perfection. I am very near my idea of perfection, I am able to listen for hours now. Everyone has their own perception of sufficiency, and beating up others due to their level of sufficiency is an exercise in true ignorance and arrogance, which I was quite guilty of in the past. Now I could care less if you need a cheep 1960's hand held mono transistor radio to be content, or a billion dollar tube system that requires a room the size of a concert hall to be content. As long as you don't have to abuse others to achieve your idea of audio Nirvana I am thrilled that you are content.

“Over the decades I have increasingly been dissatisfied with electrified concerts. I now stick to acoustic symphonic and unamplified jazz. Otherwise my system sounds better. ”
 

Where does one find a jazz concert where no one is using a microphone?

Long ago I helped - well, stood around uselessly - at a recording of a choral concert in a chapel at an Oxford college.  We had a coincident pair of crossed ribbons(good ones) feeding directly a set of Quad ELS’s via Quad II amplifiers, all set up in the vestry separated from the chapel by a wooden door.  You could hear the choir entering the chapel and walking by the microphones, their footsteps well outside the speakers, quite uncanny.  Needless to say this was about as good a sound as you can get.

‘However if you cracked the door so you could hear the choir through the crack, and compare it with the sound through the speakers, it was night and day.  The live sound was alive, and the speaker sound might as well have been a pair of Cerwin-Vegas or JBL’s.

So no, Hifi is pretty much hopeless in recreating a real concert, no matter how expensive it is.  It can remind you of it at best.

Thanks rvpiano, for a thought-provoking topic,

Growing up in a musical extended family, non-musical sounds always defeat the belief for me.  Once digital touched my emotions in the later 90's, begone! SOTA Star Sapphire (including Allen Perkins upgrades.  After a system is fully tuned (see nearby 'The hunt is over.." topic comments) and on nights where the planets align, yes there are those moments for me of bringing in the performances.  Feat's 'Waiting for Columbus' is an earlier mention.  At the University of Alabama's 1970's performance, I took lots of time to crawl around the arena and soak in as much of the sonics as possible, somehow knowing this is the best rock will ever get for me.  Recently, it was fun to note that John Atkinson of Phile uses "Fat Man in the Bathtub" as an evaluation tool from "Waiting...," as do I.  Also agree that solo sax and piano can perform the live in the room trick.  Mostly though, when satisfied with the system and after deciding upon the genre, it becomes meditative, thoughts drifting along with the performances, a wonderful part of living with a modern system's abilities to be present.  Mostly, I end those nights with gratitude for the many friends, including Techs that helped with the process.  More Peace, Pin

@pinthrift Great post ! we share a love for Feat. What are the SOTA upgrades ?

best to you

Jim