Fair enough, Noromance. Your well stated and carefully qualified last post is certainly a reasonable position.
As you appear to realize, my main reason for posting was that on many occasions over the years I have seen the fact that the source is located first in the signal path cited as rationale for its importance, and as a driver of optimal funding allocation. I believe that the first major proponent of that philosophy was Ivor Tiefenbrun of Linn, during the 1970s, who of course just happened to manufacture turntables.
My basic point is simply that regardless of how much importance one may attach to the source, and regardless of how much funding should be allocated to it in any given set of circumstances, that rationale in itself, while subscribed to by many audiophiles, is logically and technically flawed and therefore does not support whatever position may be advocated.
Best regards,
-- Al |
Al and others .... I read the last few posts and would like to add my 2 cents.
But before I post my comments, I'd like to paraphrase a couple of funny lines from Fiddler on the Roof. I think Tevya was caught up in an argument between two other villagers. The first villager made his point and Tevya said, "you're right." The second villager responded, and Tevya said, "you're right." Then both villagers exclaimed, "how can we both be right? Either Number One is right, or Number Two is right." And Tevya said, "you're right."
Well. I'm sure you get my point. Actually, I think the OP is asking a very good, but difficult to answer question. My answer is, "dunno." Reason: it has been my experience that I have been in "build out" mode for quite some time. During the build out phase, my knowledge and experience base has expanded quite a bit. I have switched out gear always seeking better performance from my system *as a whole.* What makes this endeavor incredibly difficult is that there are so few B&M stores around anymore which carry a wide range of models.
Although I don't think any link in the chain can be ignored, IME, the most difficult link to sort out is speakers. There's just so many subjective and objective variables in play, the least of which is NOT amplifier compatibility.
I apologize if my post comes off as a stream of rambling consciousness. I am just using a lot of space to say, "I don't know .... it depends."
Cheers,
Bruce |
P.S. -- if you really want to focus on the downstream side of the house, then we should be talking about the spotty quality of the source material, which is the subject of many other Forum threads. After all "garbage in-garbage out." |
Bruce (Bifwynne), thanks for your witty posts. IMO you're right :-)
Personally I've never followed any kind of formula. I just do a lot of research and as much listening as possible, and buy when a component that fits my financial comfort zone particularly excites me.
Best regards,
-- Al |
You are all right. I recently read about someone who has a few different systems because they do different things. I feel most all our quality equipment today can be made to sound exceptional. So what ever speaker we get it can be made to sound great . Or whatever source can be made to sound great. I have found with my own systems optimizing them has been very satisfying. I then go to these shows RMAF or B & M stores and wonder how my system sounds so much better. Then quickly I realize why. It has taken awhile but now I can forget about the next best greatest amazing material and groove to the funky square waves without nary a distortion if you can catch my balloon man. |
IMO to many in "HEA" devalue the importance of the speaker. Yes, I agree "garbage in garbage out" but putting 10k+ of electronics to extract every last nuance of a compromised $2k speaker is wasteful spending. My best advice is to go one or two steps above your original speaker plans. This way you avoid the finacial loss of upgrading and the PIA it is to sell and ship speakers! |
If you want to find something you will be happy with, search your soul and your bank account and ascertain the most you can responsibly spend. Then double it. That should come out about right, IMO. |
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It should NEVER be a matter of money but a matter of preference and synergy.
Let me give you a real life example:
I'm fortunate enough to be friends with Larry who owns Hollywood Sound (Hollywood FL.) and sometimes we spend countless hours listening to music experimenting with all kinds of analog configurations.
To our ears, the unassuming Spiral Groove Canalis Anima ($3,250.00) driven by top of the line Rogue (Hera II/Apollo/Ares) sounded MUCH better that the likes of Aurumm Cantus Grand Supreme ($18,000.00), Sonics Allegria ($15,000.00), and Rega's RS-10s ($13,000.00).
Analog set ups:
Nottingham Dais
Townshend Rock 7
Well Tempered Amadeus GTA
Carts:
Lyra Etna and Kleos |
If you listen to primarily rock music, don't get a set of speakers with ultra high detail resolution and spend the rest of your hobby time and savings tweaking with cables, amps and room treatments to soften the edge. Don't let your equipment change your music tastes. |
Figure which sound you like. Focal, Wilson B&W, Thiel whatever . Then pick the model in your budget. Then spend more than you can afford on the next model |
Kiko65-You make a great point! Not many of us consider the Rega RS-10/Sonics Allegria/ or AC-Grand Supreme value leaders at there price point! I'm sure the Spiral Groove monitor would NOT want to battle a $4300 ATC SCM 19v2(lol)! |
Anyone who tells you to put most into your speakers is clueless. It all starts at the source. IF you have just a "decent" speaker, the source is what will make all the difference. |
Spend twice what you can afford. Tell the wife nothing
Enjoy |
Yhis topic is on the wrong forum!, this is cables!, take this to speakers! |
