How do Walsh Ohm Speakers compare to Thiels?


Hi, 

I am listening to Thiel CS5's right now with a Prima Luna Dialogue Premium preamp, Coda CS amp, and Hegel HD25 DAC.

My problem is that the Thiel CS 5's may be a bit large for my room, which is 25 by 15 by 9. Due to room constraints (support pole in the middle of the basement), I am forced to set the speakers three feet from the front wall. They are about 8.5 feet apart and my listening spot is ten feet away. 

I cannot get the speakers to "disappear" which I suspect is due to not being far enough from the the front wall. I have bass traps in the front wall corners and across the front wall ceiling.

So, the upgrade bug is sneaking around in my mind and I am thinking about Walsh Ohms given their very wide sweet spot and so many positive comments. There also seem to be good comments about their sound stage.

Can anyone share their experience with Thiels and Walsh Ohms or any other suggestions? I also have a pair of Thiel CS3.6's, which are good speakers, but are blown away by the CS5's in terms of the mid range and treble.

Thanks for listening to this!

Dsper
dsper

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I am in my wife's sunroom today listening to the Ohm 100s there for first time in awhile. Ohms are in front corners here about 1 foot from rear and side wall. Oh my the sound is exquisite many would kill for it. This room is very lively and I have had more trouble getting the sound right in there than any other room ever. The Ohms just fit right in. I do place them on Auralex Subdude pads in there otherwise the bass is overwhelming due to floor interactions.
Almost any good quality speaker even larger ones can seem to "disappear" if far enough out into the room and with the right acoustics and drivers not aiming right at the listener so the sound is reflected and travels further before it reaches your ears.

Bass levels will also tend to be lower with no corner or wall reinforcement.  That's always a trade off.

The speakers that sound best are often the ones that best match to your room and listening position best.  Not going full range and using subs adds a lot of flexibility in placement.   With OHMs and omnis, listening positions become more flexible due to the huge sweet spot.   OHMs can go closer to walls within just a few feet and work well, full omnis not so much.   Always avoid early reflections.
Some not necessarily expensive acoustic panels at primary wall reflection points to your main listening position may help. If so these would help similarly with the OHMs as well. With the OHMs, if you listen from more than one position, you might place panels at each primary reflection point for each location you listen from. I do this on side walls in my main listening room with one pair of Ohms and they do make a difference. In my other rooms I do not even bother and things are still fine if not quite so perfect. I may also try similar panels on ceiling primary reflection points some day but have not felt a great need to-date.

$55 for any properly operating OHm Walshes is a steal of the century! Lucky you! I’ve passed on some similar very good speaker deals at Goodwill because I have so many already but would not on that one! Also remember, last time I checked, any old OHMs with cabinets that can be refurbished and re-used have trade-in value with OHM. The condition of the drivers does not matter for trade-in. Last I checked (and took advantage of) OHM offered up to 40% off new speakers with trade in of two pair of older refurbishable OHMs. Need not be Walsh models even.

Lastly I would add that I’ve had OHM Walshes in my house since 1982 or so and A/B tested older versions versus new and the newer versions are more refined and detailed than the older ones, but the older versions are still great bargains for the prices commonly found.


Good point by seanheis. You usually have to be able to sit further away from larger speakers with distance between drivers like those Thiels for them to image best and "disappear".

Many speakers might fit that bill. OHM Walsh do very well in that regard even the larger models in that they all have similar driver configurations. Their big sweet spot will be different. The OHM coherent sound design is right down Thiel’s alley.

Having said that I have not heard Thiels in quite a while so I cannot compare OHM sound to those based on listeningl but I would say read up on them and if they sound like your cup of tea maybe give them a shot. Amps that drive Thiels well should also do splendid with OHM. OHM is not full omni and 3 feet to rear wall maybe less should be fine.