Hegel H160 -> Hegel H390 upgrade suggestion


Hi - I am driving H160 with Focal Electra 1008Be bookshelves with Rythmik F12SE sub woofer for the low end. I was curious if upgrade to H390 which is almost double the power that H160 provides would make any difference to my bookshelves for which H160 (power wise) seems adequate. 

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@audioman58 I agree with you on that. How do you compare say vintage sansui or pioneers (ofcourse without the dac) vs Hegel or amps today rather in general? Do you think they (vintage) amps still stand a chance knowing not much has evolved in terms of "amplification" over the years.

@soix thanks much Soix that was quite an indepth recommendation. I think I might consider starting with a second sub but do you think a second sub would make that much of a difference when the lower frequencies are directionless anyways? I am anyways not using the Hegel DAC. I am using CS4398 in my SA8005 Marantz SACD player and send analog over to Hegel except when I do stream Spotify which is very occasionally. Also as I just asked Audioman above, do you think giving Vintage amps a shot is also a good idea esp when Sansui also used feedforward mechanism that Hegel essentially employs in its amps? 

 

No vintage equipment can go toe to toe with the New Hegel integrated amps ,

pits very respectable , my only knock is that they assemble in China ,no need for Thst just to make much bigger profit ,

Luxman don’t ,or Pass Labs and the  Krell 300i is excellent  I forgot 

and my dealer gave my friend a good deal on his  for under $8k a great piece of engineering.and made in U.S.A.

thanks @audioman58 makes sense. I will try them out and keep you guys posted. Luxman and Pass are indeed very sought after if price is ofcourse not the concern. The build quality speaks for itself.

+1 on a second sub either way, as @soix has stated.  

but do you think a second sub would make that much of a difference when the lower frequencies are directionless anyways?

This is sort of true.  Very very low bass can be directionless.  Try this: stand in your room, close your eyes, and point to the sub.  You can pick out a single sub almost every time.  Having two subs allows the integration to be almost seamless.  I am a REL fan, but you can integrate most subs easily.  First, set each sub's phase for maximum bass response.  They may be different  Then, set the sub volume where you can hear it,  and adjust the low frequencies until they just disappear.  Then turn down the volume until you can barely hear it.  do this one at a time; you may need to go back and forth a bit.  Properly adjusted, not only will the bass fill in the lows, it will more effectively support the soundstage and improve the midrange of your speakers. And they will disappear much more readily.  At least this all did for me.  You may even find experimenting with different sub positions helps.  

@fastfreight I guess I should try that with one sub like you advised and then get the second one as advised. I never thought of adjustment in that sense ever honestly.