Hearing aid question


Decades ago I at least thought of myself as a bit of a "Golden Ear"; my Quad ELS/Pyramid supertweeter combo and associated electronics were a source of pride and joy. (All gone over the years, alas.) In recent years I have learned that I have essentially lost the top three octaves of my auditory frequency response, whether through natural aging or some other process I'm not sure; I also have a fair bit of tinnitus at this stage, but that has proved less of an issue in being able to enjoy music. So now I've gone from enjoying the transparent reproduction of great music to struggling to resolve the sibilants in my wife's speech. (In the overall scheme of things, the latter is arguably more important, at least in maintaining peace at home.) I still very much enjoy listening to music, but the high-end losses have somewhat diminished the joy of it.

I am of course starting to think about taking the leap into hearing aids as a genuine quality-of-life enhancement. I was wondering if anyone out there has dealt with similar issues, and perhaps formed opinions about which of the many available solutions has worked best as both a general lifestyle aid and a boost to their enjoyment of live and recorded music. Many thanks in advance.

ericrhenry5488

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+1 on Costco.
+1 jomace Buy the best you can. Your entire multi $k audio investment is funneling through one place.

I have high end Signia hearing aids. They are pretty good & MUCH better than the dull lifeless sound I hear without them. However their frequency range of any hearing aid is about 40-8khz

I was looking for better alternatives for someone with hearing loss and stumbled on the ASI 3DME in-ear monitors on a a website called Grand Piano Passion AN OASIS FOR ADULT PIANO STUDENTS AND MUSICIANS WITH HEARING LOSS.

They are designed for musicians, but maybe a good solution for audiophiles with hearing loss. They are analog, have 20-20KHz (although +/- not published) capability and a 7 band equalizer per channel, and are highly recommended by Grand Piano Passion as an alternative to hearing aids for music.

Haven’t pulled the trigger yet, but looks intriguing. You would still need hearing aids, but could buy lesser ones with an IEM for music. 

A couple other thoughts. IMHO don’t knock Costco unless you tried them. Their testing equipment is outstanding and brand availability and pricing is unmatched. I ended up buying from an audiologist, but Costco was very good.
Also there are music audiologists, if you are lucky enough to have any in your area (I don’t). They tune your hearing aids or IEMs to music harmonics vs voice. 

@rcm1203

If you buy them, please let me know your impressions. I plan to buy them as a birthday present for myself 😎 in early July. Wife can’t say no if it’s for my birthday… right?
 

For those on the thread, I recommend you take the time to read the Grand Piano Passions review. 

For those interested in the ASI 3DME IEM’s, attached is their response on their utilization by audiophiles. 

Thank you for contacting us! We also received your comments from Grand Piano Passion. We greatly appreciate your interest in 3DME and hope the information provided to me by our design engineer proves to be helpful.   

As Heather Nancy indicated, the 3DME was designed primarily with the performing musician in mind, with very high fidelity audio reproduction and very wide dynamic range capability.  While this dynamic range capability is greater than would be needed in a home listening environment, there is nothing that precludes the product’s use in that use scenario.  As you have noted, even high quality hearing aids tend not to do well with music, as they are typically optimized for speech frequencies and characteristics, and with limited dynamic range handling.

We expended considerable effort in making the ambience reproduction as natural and neutral as possible.  The tiny MEMS microphones inherently have a very flat frequency response, with some low frequency rolloff and high frequency boost, which we do equalize out.  But the net response through the system to the user’s eardrum is decidedly not “flat” as conventionally measured and would sound very unnatural if it were.  That response needs to take into account the placement of the microphone in the earpiece and the ear, but also very significantly, the blockage of the natural ear canal resonance by the sealed earpiece.  All this is not easily describable in a conventional frequency response plot.  But your ears will reveal it.

Tapping into the audiophile market does seem to be a natural direction:  natural reproduction with the ability to compensate for individual hearing issues.  In addition to loudspeaker reproduction, the excellent sound quality is also available for direct earphone listening.  A cable adaptor is necessary to take the headphone or line output of a preamp into the 3.5mm Monitor In jack on the side of the unit.  While there are many very high quality headphones out there, the 3DME can match up to the best of them, but with the added benefit of its sound adjustment capabilities.

At present, we are still concentrating on our expanding live musician market and secondarily the concert attendee, but we would be well-advised to be looking seriously into the audiophile market.  Modifications to the frequency equalization aspects could also be considered, although this would need to be balanced with the need to keep things intuitively interpretable. 
As a recommendation, you can purchase 3DME and try it for 30-days. If after 30-days you determine it does not meet your needs, you can return it for a refund, as outlined hereThank you again for your input and interest in 3DME! 

Their answer was in response to the following:

For ASI, it appears the audiophile market is untapped although your product may be the best available solution. An audiophile wish list would be very high quality microphones with known frequency response curves with your electronics flattening that curve. (You may have that, but don’t publish it). Just 20-20,000 hz, without +/- on db. You should also expand the number of adjustable frequency bands, with potential slope adjustments on the bands. I believe Audiophiles would spend $K’s on such a product.

@larsman 

Unfortunately, there are no audiophile hearing aids. The IEM’s, such as the ASI’s would work for voice also but are ear buds with a small belt pack so not inconspicuous. I also read that while other voices sound fine, your own voice sounds weird. 
Quality hearing aids are very small and inconspicuous, but are designed for voice. They have music settings to improve music listening and help a lot for listening to music for those with hearing loss. 
There is no perfect solution. For me, I think my best solution is hearing aids for the real world and the ASI’s for music. If only one purchase, I would choose hearing aids. However, IMHO doing nothing is not a wise choice.

Side comment, some studies have shown a link between untreated hearing loss and dementia. With dementia and untreated hearing loss in my family, my choice was easy… and my music sounds much better!

@rikkipuu 

@rcm1203 
I did buy the ASI IEM’s, and soon thereafter returned them. I found their overall sound and harmonics to be good to very good… except bass. My KEF R11’s, Rythmic F12SE’s and miniDSP are tuned beautifully. 
Most hearing aids (RIC) are ‘open air’ allowing our ears to hear without their assistance. My hearing loss (typical) is in the high end. I have no correction in the low end. 
With my open air hearing aids (top of line Signia’s), my systems bass sounds glorious & crisp with great harmonics. 
The IEM’s close off your ears, so you are relying solely on the internal IEM speakers. The bass is there, but much less crisp… almost dull. As an aside, I have small ear canals, and found the ASI’s to be uncomfortable. YMMV

My be worth a try as they are an easy return. 

BTW, piano music sounded wonderful. I can see why the Grand Piano review loved them.