Has anyone used the new Innuos 2.0 Sense music app? Compared it to Roon?

@charles1dad Surprised the Russians haven't bombed that facility, glad you're helping out the Ukranians!

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IME Roon dsp not very good. Best sound quality attained with all user accessible settings off, therefore, no volume leveling, analysis, anything and everything set to off. These processes are purely for convenience in Roon, if one is serious about dsp with high sound quality use HQPLayer dsp, simply on totally different level from Roon dsp. Ask yourself why Roon has HQPlayer embedded within Roon? Because they know what I state here is true.

The one issue with HQPlayer vs Roon dsp is that HQPlayer will require higher power processor in streamer vs Roon, one probably needs at least Intel I7, I5 doesn't cut it.

I get the logic of low power processor, minimal processing equals lower noise. But I and many others, specifically many individuals over at audiophilestyle.com have taken another path. Specifically, high power processors in custom build windows based platforms assembled with parts spec'd for lowest latency, noise, proprietary Linux OS and music players such as my Euphony OS and Stylus player. With my current setup, monitoring cpu usage, the highest percentage I ever see using Roon (every user accessible processing switch in off position) is 3%, usually 2% on only two of the cores, this thing is barely idling. In comparisons of this exact custom build streamer using inferior LPS to my present LPS, the two previous owners using it with Roon found it superior to Aurender W20SE running Conductor player, both only sold after direct comparison to Taiko Extreme which they purchased. The Conductor player, based on many reviews is top flight.

So, this brings to mind the idea that a higher power processor barely idling may in fact induce less noise into motherboards than the lower powered processor working at higher percentage of it's potential. Windows based motherboards also have theoretical advantage of powering processor and motherboards each with dedicated LPS, thus, greater isolation of processor to motherboard, resistance to induced processor noise. At present I prefer using Roon to my available proprietary Stylus player.

My take is a setup optimized for Roon can compete with or exceed sound quality of proprietary player. Also, mentioned in another thread I'm not done with experimentation of Stylus vs Roon, need JCAT USB XE board to compete on more level playing field.

The off the shelf streamers do have the advantage of optimal music player/hardware integration. Roon requires more diy integration since it is universal player. I can only say the SQ I'm presently getting with Roon competes with best vinyl I've heard in well over thirty years involvement in high end audio. Universal condemnation of Roon SQ undeserved, yes, it may not end up being my final solution, but the present solution gives me little motivation to move in another direction, in fact I'm further upping game with present setup.

I'll also mention Roon dsp far inferior to HQPlayer, for those with need for dsp, HQPLayer is way to go. The issue is one needs a high power processor in order to run HQP, very processor intensive, and the reason it plays on different level than the Roon, Roon dsp only for convenience. I've played with both dsp, and believe me. HQP plays on entirely different level, and this only with pcm. I've yet to delve into DSD conversions which are reportedly far superior. By the way, even with PCM HQP pretty impressive, still preferring Roon up to to this point.

@antigrunge2 I agree clocking is critical. Attention to that paid through JCAT Net Card XE, powered by external LPS, this card has top flight clock and dedicated power supply. Sonore OpticalModule and OpticalRendu also have upgraded clocks, power supplies, finally Amanero usb board in dac first rate in these regards as well. Further upgrade to Sonore coming in form of Finisar optical transcievers, measurably lower jitter and custom build optical cable with reportedly lower reflection which should also attend to jitter. No doubt getting the clocks right is large part of providing for more analog like SQ.

@audioman58 The embedded HQPlayer is impressive, far superior to Roon for dsp. Incredible number of settings, haven't even begun to explore many, although the settings I've used have provided very high quality sound. HQP just sounds a bit artificial with the settings I've used. DSD conversion is reportedly the way to go, requires great amount of processor power.

I agree Roon MAY not be best way to stream with lower power processor, will certainly induce more noise vs good proprietary player.

I admit my streaming path virtually unknown with audiogon posters, audiophilestyle and whatsbestforum more experimental with streaming equipment, plug n play is the favored mode here.

Agree with grannyring advice above, I've done much experimenting with entire network chain, having modem and router or switch near system provides better SQ. Rather recent poster here went so far as purchasing second ISP line in order to get his setup closer to system, and remove possible contamination from wifi, not sure he's posted a followup. I'm curious since considering another try with audiophile switch replacing present Nighthawk router powered with LPS. I suspect the router is weak line in my network, routers with wifi noisy devices, looking to segregate wifi from system. Another nice upgrade to networks is Broadcomm chip modem vs inferior Intel chip, no telephony on modem used for system, LPS for modem.

Simple is nice, not necessarily best , smps not good, lps on every active component required, this alone may require a few extra boxes. Top flight rendering in streamer or streaming dac is required for simple, problem is vast majority of streamers don't do topflight rendering, reason I'd likely go for streaming dac if I was going  simple with highest quality audio. All ethernet is way to go for simple, high quality streaming, streaming dac allows that. Based on my research, the only streamers offering best of best rendering are the Taiko Extreme, Wadax, Aurender W20SE just slightly inferior to the Wadax and Taiko .Innuous provides very nice rendering via outboard usb, believe it built into Statement.  Ports providing rendering must be isolated from motherboard for best performance, far too many don't. Bottom line for best simple setup is one of these topflight streamer going directly to dac or streaming dac in which case streamer doesn't matter as much since it will only be acting as server.

The above illustrates what I'd consider for highest quality streaming that competes with very nice vinyl setups. Not saying one can't attain fine SQ with lesser setups.

Charles, good for you taking plunge into streaming. Streaming was simple affair in beginning for me, now completely OCD with it! Just can't seem to stop with the experimentation, has replaced my diy modding with rest of system.

With rest of system extremely likely to be end game for me, streaming last frontier for me. Don't know what I'll do when its finalized, need to rid myself of upgradeitus at some point!

Next upgrade after transceivers and optical cable will be Telegartner switch, none of the other audiophile switches impress with technology, also positive reviews from Latik and others. This assumes present router is weak link.,