Harbeth 30.1 or 40.1


I would like to get a pair of Harbeth, and wondering if 30.1 or 40.1 is better.  My room size is about 18’ x 16’.  I currently have a pair of Spatial Audio X5 with large 12” mid range driver.  I would say I listen in low to low-medium volume for Jazz and vocals.  Is 40.1 too big for my area?  I am afraid if I am not listening to what it is supposed to sound like if I don’t turn up the volume.

however, if I buy the 30.1, is that I should get a pair of sub?  Versus for 40.1, I assumed I don’t need subs?
gte357s

Showing 7 responses by twoleftears

@gte357s   Yes, I agree it's tremendously confusing.

There have been reports of really excellent performance with Vinnie Rossi products, that aren't that powerful and have a tube front end.

Likewise, many swear by the combination of the LFD NCSE which is only 70W in its most powerful incarnation.

big_greg just posted above, and I also know of someone very happily driving them with a Linear Tube Audio LTA Z40 integrated, which is under 50W.

So there's a real diversity of opinion; I can't think of an example where there's more diversity, actually.

If you like the sound you're getting, perhaps there's no need to change.

My suggestion was to perhaps try to borrow a powerful SS amp just to see what difference it made (particular in the bass region).  On the other hand, tube watts do tend to be more powerful than ss watts, so perhaps try and borrow a 75W push-pull or ultralinear tube amp.

If you go on the Harbeth User Group website, you'll find a thread with owners posting lists of amps they've used.  Shaw has some pretty extreme views on amps, but it's very enlightening to see the range of models people are listing.

There's always socks, foam, etc. that you could stuff in the ports in a pinch.  But I really don't think they'll overload, so long as you don't have them stuck in the corners.

That said, if you like the Spatials and liked the big Maggies on audition, no box speaker, however good, and the Harbeths are among the best, can do some things a planar/open baffle speaker.  On the other hand, they can do some things better.  You'll get a frisson from the 40.1's, but it won't necessarily be exactly the same as one from and 3.7i or a 20.7.

Yes!  One of the more significant changes from 40.1 to 40.2 had to do with the bass, which made the 40.2 a lot more room-friendly in terms of positioning vis-a-vis the 40.1.  That being said, yours is a decent-sized room and if you have some leeway to experiment with positioning within it, I'd definitely consider the 40.1.  Do the Spatials threaten to overload the room now?  If not, then that's another indicator that the 40.1 should work OK.

I've posted this link before of the 40.2's in a much smaller room.https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/harbeth-monitor-40-2.25222/

I presume you're considering 40.1's for, err, economic reasons.

The 40.2's at Deja Vu were, for me, the best audition--the best-sounding speakers--I've ever had in an audio store.  After just a few seconds of a Beethoven piano concerto I let out a "wow".  If I could have 75% of that at home I'd be a happy camper.

I'm less sure about the 40.1 but there isn't an absolute need to drive the 40.2 with more than 60 or 70 quality watts.  Yes, perhaps more is better, but quality is also better or quantity.

You'll need to add sub(s) to the 30.1 to get the bass quality of the 40's, so something to consider when considering financial outlay.  I agree, though, that you can only ultimately tell at home with an audition there.
Vu of Deja Vu, who's a major Harbeth dealer, stated to me that the 40.2's needed 2' of clearance from side walls and 3' of clearance from front wall (behind them), all measured from the relevant edge of the cabinet.  The experience of the gentlemen in the link I posted earlier suggests that you can get away with less and still get very satisfying sound.
While I've only heard the SHL5+ in stores (e.g. in Seattle), it always struck me as cut from another cloth, and aiming to do something rather different.  Just look at the drivers that it uses.  I heard the 30.1's at CAF and thought them excellent when driven with a high-powered tube amp.  It was the 40.2 iteration that sought to deal with the bass issues, over the 40.1, and are indeed much more domestic-friendly.  I don't understand the comment about 40's being too loud--there is a volume control, after all.  The 40's are large, awkward-shaped, and heavy, but that's what you pay not only to get the bass extension but also the wave-launch from the wider baffle that provides a more realistic impression of real instruments in real space.
@arturgorniak is the extreme case of someone who believes 40 series Harbeths need serious power.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/harbeth-40-2-40th-anniversary-with-simaudio-mono-blocks
At the other extreme, I've read posts from people driving them with tube amps well under 50 W.
But I think you are reporting the lowest.
For a real comparison/contrast, I think you need to aim for 100 or 150W SS.