Goldring 1042 Anti Skate Too High on Dead Wax


Hi all,
I have always set anti skate as per the title  near the vinyl label with a slight movement towards the spindle.
Just bought a 1042 and can’t set it low enough to stop it sliding to the outside. All set up on my Notts space deck with 9’ space arm. Set up perfectly (he says).
Does anyone have experience of this or what might be the cause.
VTF is 1.8g
Dist of bearing to spindle is 210mm.
Tonearm level.
Platter level.
Aligned using Notts template as usual.
Previous carts such as a lyra Helikon have set up fine but still quite low force needed, probably 1/4 of available.
If I hold the anti skate counterweight up so no anti skate the tonearm stays still???
Answers on a postcard please!

nedhogan
I got a helpful email from Goldring but the fact remains that if I take the bias weight off completely and just have the self weight of the lever, that is enough for it to go flying off towards the outer limits in the run out dead wax. It goes so fast it jumps a few grooves before it is stopped.
It is so strange as the sound seems OK though. I am worried though that it isn't right as it is so strange. I don't want to be wearing out my records or the expensive stylus.
It has always been that in such a case it would be the opposite and would be wrapped around the spindle before you know it.

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Hey it sounds a lot better at 2g by the way. It also seems to have toned down in only about 4hrs of run in. They say it takes 40. I'm looking forward to what it's like after then.
Thanks lewm. I read that passage as a plus for a blank record. It is only 50% too high if it stands still. It is best to let it still move in slowly. Enough for the run out to just to say catch it before the loop groove. That is what soundsmith recommends.
They seem to say a test record is worse.
Funny what different people take from things depending on what they are looking for, 'A FAR WORSE method is the use of "anti-skating bias tracks" found on some test records'.

I wonder if it's the bearing. It's a unipivot and have no frame of reference as never had one before. It is a wobbly thing. Goes a mm forward and back and rotates maybe a degree or so. Seems to sit fine when playing though and sounds good.
Mijo, On the Wally site it suggests not to use the anti-skate bands on certain test LPs. I don’t know whether that would include the one you recommend.
I am also gratified to read the following paragraph on the Wally site:"IMPORTANT: Using a blank record or the groove-less area of the inner run-out on a record to adjust anti-skating so that the tonearm remains stationary is not a recommended method to adjust anti-skating as it results in about 50% too much anti-skating force applied."
This is an advisory I have given to many,including the OP. Take note, OP.  Also, the point made by the Wally site, that there is no single perfect setting for AS, is why I suggest setting by ear, starting with no or very low AS.  At that point you might hear R channel distortion.  Then adjust the amount of AS upwards in very small increments until the distortion goes away, and no further.  One cause for your finding might be something dragging on the pivot, causing it to behave as if it has high friction which resists the skating force per se.  Check tonearm bearings.
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nehhogan, push the VTF up to 2.0 gm and see how it goes. That is the max allowable VTF for that cartridge.
nedhogan, check the stylus to make sure it is not defective. A 10X magnifier will do. Make sure the VTF is not too low. I know you said you checked it. There is an old expression. Measure twice, cut once. Check it with a digital tracking force gauge if you can. If you just happen to know someone with a Wally Skater use it to check your tonearm's calibration and bearings. The other thing you can do is get a HI FI News Analog Test LP and see how the arm runs the antiskating tracks. If it runs the first band OK then just leave it alone, that will suffice. You can also increase the VTF to the highest acceptable value. 
I have no test record for comparing distortion.

I am enjoying the music.

As most people set the anti skate too high and it sounds just fine, I would not rate the anti skate on whether it sounds fine.

But saying that, I am unsure if there is some distortion on the right channel at loud points or whether it is just one of the records. There is certainly not inner groove dist which supposedly is indicative of poor alignment and possibly excessive antiskate?

It is more of a needle wear / Record wear and tracking issue.

I would rather get the most life as possible out of it.

If anyone has a 1042 could you elude to what amount of AS you use?
I have never seen it were such small amounts are needed. 
 a few links that discuss everything you ever wanted to know about skating force. It is an easy read and has some very informative videos along with it. The best information I have ever read on the subject.

https://www.wallyanalog.com/post/skating-anti-skating-the-basics 

https://www.wallyanalog.com/post/skating-force-offset-angle-part-1-of-2
Why don't you listen to some music?  The method you are using to set anti-skate is not the best idea, anyway.  If music sounds good, it IS good.
I could max out the counter weight with the Helikon cart and it would still not slide off like this.