As entertaining as some of the commenters are, still I am sure I speak for many when I say, better off without. Mr Silver it turns out is now Nova. The dazzling Mr White is now called Supernova. Both to be produced by bewgow under the name moneoone, pronounced M101, as in M101 The Pinwheel Galaxy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinwheel_Galaxy A bit grand perhaps but Supernova is a pretty grand power cord. There is kind of a history here, for anyone not so triggered they have lost all connection with reality. The record is not made up, it is there, albeit buried somewhere back in a few of my nearly 9k posts. Still, unlike some others everything I say is factual, not weasely innuendo, and a lot of it can be checked out. Like, there was my review of the Herron VTPH2A phono stage. I heard about this here, which goes to show this site has value even in spite of the many spewing constant hate and blather. We sift through it, we find the gems. The Herron being one of the gems. Did not know it at the time, but Keith told me later mine was to be one of the last. The way Keith does it, in order to keep costs down and prices reasonable he has to buy a production run worth of parts. Some of these are generic and can be used in other products but a lot like the chassis and boards are specific to the phono stage. This is a huge investment that takes a long time to recoup and he was planning on this being the last one. But then my review came out, and Keith’s wife said maybe you should keep doing this? Keith told me my review was a big factor in his deciding to continue for one more run. I got a PM just the other day thanking me, because since I mentioned Keith was just about sold out of his final run, this lucky audiophile was able to buy the very last one. I say this not to brag about my influence, but to make a much more serious, one might even say poignant point. The things we say on a forum like this, they have real life consequences. Normal people know this, but a lot don’t and this is for you. You may think you are bashing me. Right. As if I care what you think. There’s a reason I don’t respond: I don’t care! What I do care about are the people you affect with the bilge you spew. There are plenty of good people out there. Some trying to learn. Some trying to share what they have learned. Some trying to make a living, somehow, in this microscopic little market niche. Some of them just trying to put together a music system they can enjoy. And yes, some of them maybe even trying to start a new business. None of this is easy. Heck even what I am doing, took two years solid writing, polishing, trying different things, having to persevere even in the face of some of the most despicable people, who would never dare behave the way they do in public but feel just fine doing it on-line. So, in other words, cowards. But like I said this is not about me. This is about all those other people just trying to get along. If you don’t like what we’re doing, well nobody ever said you have to be here. Move along. Please. |
He knows that. He's just slinging his usual insulting innuendo. Which is funny. He clearly wants nothing more than to insult and demean and harm. If he would leave it alone the thread would go away and accomplish his goal. But every time he posts he brings it back alive and active. So the guy is a walking talking Own Goal.
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Completely different product. Not even spelled the same. I make jokes all the time about reading comprehension. Case in point. |
So you did hear improvement, just not that much. Good. What I said was the improvement is so slow and gradual it is hard to hear. The way to really notice is to first get used to the way it sounds being on all the time for a week or two. Then turn it off overnight. Do this, and then when you hear that let us know what you think.
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Had the opportunity last night to compare Inakustik 4004 power cable with Nova and my reference Supernova. A very nice power cord for which I would love to be able to do a full review. Unfortunately in the circumstances we have only one night with it, hence this mini-review post.
The 4004 is a beautiful piece of work and easily the best feeling and one of the most flexible power cords I have ever had the pleasure to use. The last few inches going into the receptacle or IEC is with many power cords a struggle. The flexible black rubbery material at either end of the 4004 makes this a breeze. It is almost too good. The bulky massive metal collars at each end are so heavy as to be almost a hazard- do not let them swing into anything! But overall a power cord that exudes quality.
The sound right out of the box was a bit grainy, but this is to be expected after having been twisted around a lot in shipping and setup. This being a demo unit it settled in real fast. While I am sure it will sound a lot better with more hours we don’t have more hours so....
The sound is beautifully engaging if ever so slightly warm. Real nice depth, very solid imaging. I like it. A lot. Especially after having been stuck the last two weeks with nothing but CD. The 4004 brings a welcome analog and almost tubey feel to the presentation.
We move to the Nova for comparison. Nova is very similar, a bit less warmth but quite a bit more detail. Again, to be expected given the out of the box extreme low hours circumstances. Sorry, but it is what it is. The "review" I mean.
What I hope people will get out of this admittedly less than ideal comparison, is these two power cords are close enough in performance to come down to individual tastes and preferences and systems. Pretty amazing I think that Nova is able to go toe to toe with a more expensive product like this and come out being able to say that.
The other thing is, these were both run on my Melody amp. To do so I had to remove the Supernova that is usually there. At the end when the Supernova went back in, wow! Might sound funny but I had forgotten how good that thing is! Either one of these power cords, 4004 or Nova, are easily good enough to please a lot of really demanding audiophiles. Supernova however is transformative. I mean like to the point it is hard to believe this is "just a power cord".
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A little context, the description you're relying on is written by some ESL noob not a user or audiophile. Also it is talking about this one version. Nobsound has a couple different versions of the same basic thing. This one is Corain or acrylic or something, I don't know what. Material make a difference. The Nobsound one I'm using and most of us have is only a few bucks more and uses machined aluminum instead of plastic.
Also with all springs the sound you get is greatly dependent upon matching the springs to the load. Particularly with plain springs they bounce (duh!) and are resonant, so tuning the springs to the load is very important. Too much load you will get thick sound, too little it will be thin. It is easy to add or remove one spring at a time and hear the difference. Play around with this you can get quite good results. You are essentially trading a low price for a lot more trial and error and effort. This is another area where Townshend shines, they are sized and sold according to the load and give great results with none of this swapping springs to get it right. |
stuartk- I realize you are intent upon (and have the fiscal means for) achieving the very best sound but would you be willing to suggest a "lower tier" of somewhat less expensive tweaks? You mean like $30 Nobsound instead of $300 Pods? DIY cable elevators? Rubber bands? A perennial favorite, sand beds, concrete- this is my turntable rack. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 Total cost $150, or $300 with the granite top. Lost count of how many times I have explained the construction used, how incredibly cost-effective it is, and of course there it is 24/7 on my system page. Actually I have had people PM saying they studied my system page and learned a lot and tried some of these things and they work and... thanks! So the info is all there. What are you looking for? |
Frank,
One demo Dana heard, one of the QoS TDF coils was disconnected from each speaker. He was like, What the??! 😂😍😁 Just one per. There's like 3 per still there. Not to mention all the other, er, stuff. 😍
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bewgow- MC is trying to teach people that to get a great audio system you do not need expensive boxes. You need to be smart about what you are doing. The little tweaks is what matters and cables are as important as the expensive boxes.
Right. Long ago back in the early 90’s I was a total doubter. Every bit as bad as these guys here. Only unlike them I have a couple really big things going for me: I can hear, I am willing to try and be proven wrong, and I care deeply about sound quality. I want my music to sound good! Not just good, but like Dana said when he was here last Saturday, religious experience good. So when I tried Black Diamond Racing Cones and was floored how good they worked I started taking them around trying them under everything everywhere. In no time flat it was proven this tweak that is only $60 for a set of 3 can make even a $5k CD player sound a lot better. You would probably have to go to a $6k or more CDP to achieve the same performance improvement. So while a lot of people were saying, "I’m not paying $20 for one stupid Cone!" I was saying, "What a bargain I can make $1k worth of improvement for $20!" It has been like that ever since. The one true criticism of my system is the whole thing is comprised of a bunch of rather mid-level price components. All my components, with the notable exception of the Supernova, are only around $5k and a lot like my amp are half that. Even my Koetsu is the cheapest Koetsu. It is just not a very impressive system, not if all you see the system as a bunch of boxes. Why then are people like Dana saying it is a "religious experience"? Are they all lying? Look at my system page. They are all making up stories? The truth is my system is extraordinarily revealing. People talk about speakers disappearing, my whole room disappears! People talk about the sound stage, you are immersed. You are swimming in it. Not because of the boxes. Because of the cumulative effect of all these other things the haters hate so much: tweaks. The Moneoone Supernova is the biggest one for sure, but the Nova and all the Townshend and of course Krissy magic, they all make a huge contribution. It all goes together. There is after all a reason we call it a sound system: it really is a system! A system is not a collection of parts. A system is a collection of parts that work together. Thanks for noticing I am trying to teach people this. I am far from the only one. Mahgister is doing a lot of the same things, for a lot of the same reasons. The good news is people are catching on. The message is getting through. It just doesn’t always seem that way. But that is only because the tiny minority stuck in the past are really active and vocal. Too bad. Their loss. Not ours.
Some guys also asked me about cheaper cables. Yes I could make cheaper cables and their sonic benefits would not be as impressive like “Mr Black”. MC can easily pick up all the small changes these cables make because his system is very resolving. But regular guys do not build systems like his and do not have his hearing skills. Nova and Supernova will floor you with the sonic improvement even on a lesser system. Just my advice you can take it or leave it, but I would stick with what you are doing. The instant you drop down into cheaper stuff there’s a ton of options. Yours might still be better value, but it will be as dust in the wind. Where you are now is like the Koetsu of cables. Yes the cheapest one is still very expensive, but they are hand made craftsmanship and my oh my the performance! |
danager was just here, spent a good 8 hours listening and comparing. Cable elevators make such a huge difference he heard the sound change even as I was removing the first one. Just one. On one side. Obvious. He cannot understand why- why it works, why anyone would not be able to hear that it works.
Then power cords. He gave the usual reasons why the power cord cannot possibly make any difference. After all, it comes hundreds of miles from Grand Coulee Dam, how can the last 5 feet possibly make any difference?
I pulled out one of my freebie black rubber power cords. By your logic then this cannot possibly sound any different than the $10k Supernova plugged in there now? That's right. So we plugged it in. Put on Steve Miller Space Intro. First 10-15 seconds, about all that I could stand. He never heard it before on my system. Told him don't worry, this will not even be close.
Plugged Supernova back in. Dropped the needle. Immediately he says, "Wow! Totally different!" I worry that by immediately someone thinks I mean as soon as the music started. No. Immediately. As in immediately upon the needle dropping into the groove. Immediately as in that very instant. Immediately as in the lead-in groove. The freaking lead-in groove sounded better. Immediately.
The music made it into a whole new universe. No comparison. So now he has two mysteries: one, why they make any difference at all (don't know) and two, why everyone doesn't know they make a huge difference.
So there you go. Supernova: the power cord so good you can tell even by the lead-in groove. |
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One of the neater side effects of writing reviews like this, it creates a record of what and when. Without this I wouldn't really know it has been one month now since I got these. Also it has now been a good 3 weeks with everything staying put to thoroughly settle in.
What I notice now, the sound I used to have to wait an hour and a side to get, is now there pretty much right from the first 20 min warmup. The sound after playing a few sides is way better. And the few times I have had time to listen late into the night, oh my God!
Normal routine is start with a run of the mill record, then some better ones, then maybe get into some Hot Stampers or a fave like Jennifer Warnes The Well, the 45. After a couple hours though now I find pretty much anything is a blast, and have found myself playing Styx Equinox and even some Prism.
Some still think wire is not that big a deal. Crack me up. Try Nova, Supernova, F1. LMAO! You will too!
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Here is the relevant part of Ozzy's review. He has an unfortunate habit of removing discussions and then we lose everything everyone had to say. So I am taking the liberty of posting the relevant part of his review here below: My latest effort was a set of DIY power cords that I made using pure .9999 10 ga solid soft silver in a very high-grade oversized PTFE, braided, twisted, treated with Nano liquid and then finished with Furutech best NCF connectors. They look very similar in construction to the Audioquest Dragon configuration. They have beat all other power cords that I had tried before them. They have made me happy and content. So now on to the review of the Nova power cables. ...
First listen, and I must say, the Nova cable sounded better. Never would have believed it. No way. But it is. There is so much more air and life in its presentation. Instruments extend left/right front/ back. Very impressive. There is a feeling of intimacy in the soundstage that draws you into the music. Women’s voices have that “tongue in the ear” effect. You guys know what I mean…Very inviting. Listen to Linda Ronstadt sing “Blue Bayou” you’ll get it.The soundstage is wider and deeper. Usually when the music sounds this pure there is a sacrifice at the frequency extremes. But not with this cable. The bass is tight and deep and the highs shimmer elegantly. Since receiving the Nova cables, I have been playing music that I have heard so many times in so many different formats through the years that I could probably write the sheet music. And yet, now for the first time they sound entirely different and so engaging. Fantastic! I like listening to live recorded music. Mostly rock music. With the Nova cables there is a new found pleasure in the openness in the performance. Even some of the earlier recordings like Creedence Clearwater revival At Woodstock is highly enjoyable. When you hear your system sounding this right, I knew I had to have this cable. Now, if only I had some more items to sell on Audiogon, hmm… Or how to convince my wife I need a couple more power cords…? But, oh boy can I recommend this power cord. ozzy
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Another interesting thing about the Hateful 18 list, reviewing it as I did just now it is striking how many are no longer around. Some because they were banned. Others shunned. Still others so pathological they reappear under different names. There is a johnnystereobuyer on there, he is gone. Now there is a johnnyaudiogoon, and what a delightfully apt name it is but- join the list. To be ignored forevermore.
As much fun as it has been slamming some of you waste of spacers, I find such sport is taking away from time for actual serious real audiophiles. Not to mention sentient human beings. So while I do enjoy slamming, you really are time wasters. Keeping the list has saved me a good deal of time, anyone on there I no longer read anything you post. Seriously. You do not exist in my world. I mean that literally. My world is actual audiophiles. Those I have all the time in the world for. Just ask any of the many I have consulted with and helped. Or better yet, don’t. They are good people, I wouldn’t wish you on my worst enemy.
All good things must come to an end. I will continue the list. As new waste of spacers come along they will be duly added. I just won’t bother letting anyone know. And with that, Cheerio!
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The string of posts removed were all from one particularly reprehensible individual who went by the charmingly apt name of Johhnyaudiogoon. The goon is gone now, suspended.
Goon or troll, this one was more disturbed than usual. He was openly bragging about what a great troll and thread wrecker he is, how he does this all the time, and how he cannot be stopped. When I asked Tammy to keep a lookout for his return she said sure and asked for my help as well.
So here it is. If anyone suspects this troll has returned under a different name, please report him immediately. Click the report post button, let Tammy know. Call him out. Start a discussion naming the troll. Great idea for all the trolls. Would be great to rid ourselves of some of the more established ones as well. But, baby steps. As with our systems, let us do what we can, when we can. Please and thank you. |
Sinatra-Basie is one of those records where you hear it and all of a sudden it hits you and you know all at once why the guy was Chairman of the Board. He just has this incredible combination of free and easy swing with superb technique and control, and you really feel it. One of those records you don't even want to try and analyze, just kick back and enjoy! |
Amazing how much depth and palpable presence there is on such an old, and old tech, recording. The Ellington clarinet sounds better than a lot of em I hear today! Thanks!
The M One O One Nova power cord (fka Mr Silver) is now running on my Herron VTPH2A phono stage a week or so now, and sounds a LOT better! Combined with the Townshend F1 and the Supernova power cord my system last night had me shaking my head.
Every record now is its own world. With some like Dire Straits On Every Street the stage is deep and seems at times to be coming from beyond the front and side walls. Mark Knopflers voice is just spooky real! Others like Tom Petty Southern Accents puts you right in it. I mean it extends around and cuts like Don’t Come Around Here No More you are swimming in it.
The top end is so good now it sometimes feels like there is no top end. But then play something like my White Hot Nilsson Schmilsson or maybe even better Sinatra-Basie, and you will know for sure there is no top end extension problem! It is just that nothing is hyped or etched, there is so little glare, it never draws your attention to it. Which in my book is how it should be.
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So he made you a Mr White in Black. Men In Black. Har! Black is the new White. I'm killing it here! 😂
Seriously, yeah you have Supernova. You can see the bare copper conductors through the mesh. Also if you look you can see the 3D printed spacers holding them in his desired geometric relationship. This anyone can see just by looking real close. So I am not giving any big secrets away. What you cannot see is the geometry inside. That it seems to me is the secret sauce, so to speak. The whole thing altogether, that is the geometry he is talking about.
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This is clearly explained in my review and in the thread, but just to reiterate the cables I got were Mr White and Mr Silver. Technically they weren't anything just cables, I only gave them these names myself just to avoid clumsy writing like, "this silver thing he sent me" or "the fat one with white mesh not the silver one." The names were my own little nicknames, and temporary.
Another factor, there was still at that point the sense this was just a guy who is really proud of his DIY cables and just trying to prove to me that DIY can in fact be good. (Because never heard any that were- until now!) There was no indication they would ever come to market. Why would there be? The first one I got was not that good, I didn't even write a review about it, too lean and hi-fi for me.
That all changed, and in a heartbeat, once I heard Mr White. Then with a serious listener seriously impressed, then and only then did it advance to the next stage, the stage we are at now.
Mr White is now officially Supernova. Mr Silver is now officially Nova. The DIY guy is now officially M One O One, pronounced M101 as in Messier catalog of galaxies #101, aka the Pinwheel Galaxy. Because Lubos, the guy who makes them, is into astronomy.
One more wrinkle, the Nova model is silver because it is encased in a clear tube. The Supernova model color is whatever mesh is it is in, and this can be changed. So Ozzy will have to let us know if the black one is a Supernova in black or something else. That is up to Oz. That is his area. I do not know what he got, or have anything to do with any of that. I just happen to know Supernova is custom made and can come in a lot of different colors.
Only other thing of import to add is to Ozzy: as good as they sound right now, let them run a while they will be even better!
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Send me one, and I will let you know.
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The crazy thing about living rent free in someone's head, even after you get tired of the mess and droning and leave they still think you are there. Oh well. |
One day out of the blue someone said, "Hey if I send you something would you listen to it?" Just like that. I was flabbergasted. "Well of course. But why?"
Because you seem to be a good listener and are really good at explaining to people how things work.
For years all I ever did was bash people who think they can DIY wire as good as the pro's. I have lambasted this no end. One day some guy says, "Hey I know you don't think DIY is any good but if I sent you mine would you listen to it?" So the first one wasn't much good but the next two he sent me, wow!
There's actually quite a few more examples I won't go into right now. Point I want to make, the people getting their kicks bashing me, many of them are on a little list I created to help me keep track of all the greatest waste of space offensive creatures on the site. They don't like me, I don't like them. I am okay with that.
Just one thing. People are sending me stuff, really good stuff too, simply because I have demonstrated skills and credibility- and integrity. How many of you on my Hateful 18 list can say that? The one directly above is a charter member, I know for sure no one cares what he has to say- about anything.
So maybe it is true, you really do reap what you sow.
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Sorry, just get tired of explaining something's been explained a zillion times. Not to mention all the glowing listener impressions on the page are clear the imaging is to die for.
"Were they costly?" You are new! Tekton Moabs are now $4730, or $5030 with the same upgrades as mine. This for performance that renders such numbers all but meaningless. Soundwise these are $30k speakers, and that is being conservative.
If you take the time to understand what is going on, the crossovers are designed so that the drivers in the array all output frequencies low enough that the wavelength is long enough relative to the size of the driver that they are the sonic equivalent of a single 9" midrange driver. But they are tweeters, with moving mass of 0.3g so what we have in effect is a 9" midrange driver with a total moving mass of 0.3g which is a phenomenal power to weight ratio and a big reason these speakers sound fast like a stat.
Also because the MTM array is symmetrical above and below the tweeter then it is functionally equivalent to a coaxial driver. All the same applies to the woofers, making the whole speaker very similar to a single driver. So there are very strong engineering reasons for why this would be an exceptionally coherent speaker, even aside from everyone who hears it saying it is an exceptionally coherent speaker.
I am not kidding when I say it is worth the fare. You hear this, you let me know when you hear anything else like it. Anywhere. Any price. I will not be holding my breath.
Yes I say that partly to trigger people I absolutely love to trigger- but only partly. It ain't braggin' when it's true.
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bivhopkins, Only one driver is a tweeter. Duh. Please do try and keep up. Phasing nightmare? From my system page: https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 My listening impression was all the detail and nuances were presented to my ears in a most unique way. Unique to me because it was so far above any system I had heard including the last set of Monitor Audio Gold with a Prima Luna Integrated. I enjoyed hearing everything but was most shocked at Fleetwood Macs "Landslide"
Hearing it so many times in the past and then not recognizing the intro because of the detailed soundstage. Then Chuck let Stevie Nicks sneak into the room and begin the vocals dead center right in front of me and the recognition set in.
To sum it up I was more than impressed. Anyone that can take advantage of Chuck’s generosity should do so. Round trip air: $875 Round trip Uber: $125 Hearing millercarbons System: Priceless. |
It refers to the audiophiles who have actual, you know, ideas.
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This post had me thinking seriously- if a poster can go to the trouble of imagining one crazy thing after another, why can't they take the same amount of time to click on the name and look at the system? https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 Check it out. AC power is tweaked extensively from BEFORE the panel, through the panel, every inch of AC wire from the panel to the step down transformer (and how many systems you know run 240V stepped down to 120? Anyone? Beuller?) then HARDWIRED into an extensively modified power conditioner, with Synergistic Orange outlets, and finally through the power cord. Which goes into..... an integrated amp. So all your fantasy comes true in a veritable wet dream of wet dreams- except for the fact that it blows your dreamland out of the water because THIS is the system in which this power cord DOES make such a huge difference! You are not alone. The vast majority of audiophiles harbor similarly inept ideas about how things work. A little more time doing, a little less guessing may be in order here. |
Never said it takes a $10k power cord to make my system sound good. Read the posts, been saying my system sounds a whole lot better than good for a very long time now. Not just me by the way, read the system comments. So it sounded fabulous, and now sounds even more fabulous, to a degree that can only be described as transformational.
That is what I said. If you're gonna snark, get it right.
And now, you being new may not know, and it's been a while so maybe time for a reminder anyway. But you will notice there are certain individuals who they can make all the snark they want, ask all the questions they want, still I will totally ignore them. I actually find it saves time, not bothering to even read their comments. This only happens once someone has demonstrated by their behavior they deserve to be banished. Can't do that myself. If I was moderator you would be gone. What I do instead, keep a list. So in case I forget, these are not worthy people.
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Oh no, not at all. You could learn to do it too. 'Course, it would cut into your snark time.... and once you get there and hear it too you would have to find something else to snark about. But I'm sure you could do that too. Don't let me be the one to hold you back. |
Silver will impress with rock-solid imaging.
oldhvymec It's from conditioner to integrated. |
pmiller115- Millercarbon: Is there a way by which others, including myself, might also have the pleasure of spending some audio time with "Mr. White" Read the thread, they are made by bewgow. I don't give away proprietary information people put their good hard work into earning the hard way, but I will say Mr White is not cheap nor should it be. It is an intricate geometry construction and takes a good weeks worth of work just to assemble. It is comparable to Nordost Odin 2, a $24k power cord. You are welcome to contact bewgow and find out what he wants to make you one. Or you can take him up on his offer on Mr Silver. The only things I have ever heard that compare with Mr White are the Townshend F1 speaker cables, and the F1 interconnects I am currently in the process of reviewing. These three are in my experience unique in their ability to transmit music with incredible lifelike detail and dynamics yet without any trace of grain or glare. Remarkable stuff. Mr Silver is as I said very, very good. Anyone hearing Mr Silver and not comparing it to some uber wire like White, I would not be surprised if it is not the best they ever heard. If you already have better than Mr Silver you are in very rare company indeed. |
hickamore- When a serious lifelong audiophile tells me that a special DIY power cord makes a transformative difference in his system, I believe it. I don't assume that the reporter is just imagining things, especially when he says his listening trials have been replicated with the same result every time and it's a difference his wife can hear from another room. I find this very interesting information. Perhaps even gratifyingly useful information.
I do not interpret such reports as "egomaniacal," nor do I understand why others would do so. If the report is lengthy relative to the average post, that's fine by me if it holds my interest. Okay, so some readers have short attention spans, or don't care about the subject, or are just emotionally invested in the preconception that power cords can't possibly make a difference -- well, fine, but then why bother announcing these personal idiosyncrasies to the world, and in a snarky fashion at that? It's replies of this sort that strike me as egomaniacal.
Of course, MC's case in my eyes is perhaps augmented by the fact that his writing style is top-tier for an audio forum. It just seems to be the case that many gearheads, brilliant engineers no doubt, simply take little interest in the stylistic possibilities of the English language, nor even in the fact that that the clarity of one's expression is a direct proof of the clarity of his/her thought.
Which is to say that, whether or not they seem relevant to my own circumstances, I'll invariably read MC's posts for their clarity, cogency, and and at times, genuine wit of a high order that seems to be lost on too many readers.
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Used to be real easy, I would summarily dismiss all DIY. Now though I will have to be a little more careful. You will have to send yours to me for comparison before I can say for certain it is cra- er I mean how good it is. ;)
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bewgow2-
I am the maker of these power cords. If you want to know more about the
cords send me a message. MC explained how they sound very well. If you
have ever tried a really expensive power cord in your systems like
Nordost Odin2 which retails for 24k you know what he is talking about.
Good power cord will transform your system. If you have the guts to try I
can send you Mr Silver and you can see for yourselves. Mr Silver will
get you pretty close to Odin2. That is the point I was trying to get across. Mr White is so good it is totally jaw-dropping transformative. Beyond "you do not even have to try to hear" obvious, we are talking obvious on a level you are forced to admit whether you want to or not. Kind of obvious the wife who never set foot in the room but only heard it from the kitchen and through the door says it sounds better, more clear, like real music. That is not a story by the way. I went out to make a drink, that is what she said. Mr Silver is not in that league. But it is very, very good. So good it is almost a shame to have heard them together. I have the feeling that in any other company besides Mr White that I would be saying many of the same things only about Mr Silver instead. |
I haven't measured them. But they are all pretty close to the usual 5-6ft.
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I have a difficult time believing a power cord can make things differently. How is this possible. Then to mention a price of $10,000. This group must be so filthy rice that they don’t know how to get rid of their money. I wonder how they are able to get these purchases past the gate keeper?
just so I am understanding this discussion properly, you are talking about the power cord that plugs into the wall socket to the amplifier. Right?
Right. That last part is the one you got right. It isn’t necessary for you to "believe" you either hear it, or you don’t. In this case the improvement is so obvious you will hear it. Not only will you hear it, you will be shaking your head trying to believe your eyes, that it is only the power cord that changed and not the amp, speakers, turntable, everything. Trying my best to make the point this not at all subtle. If it takes a week to build something, your time is valuable, you have overhead, and need to make a profit to keep doing it, then this alone will dictate a high price. Doesn’t mean anyone will pay it, only that it will have to be in order for it to be made in the first place. Then as far as what people are willing to pay, well there’s no shortage of expensive specialty goods people are willing to pay for. See: Rolex. My favorite part though is "the gate keeper". Takes me back. https://youtu.be/7RqLBev2I0Y?t=14 |
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To Miller Carbon and any others who think that cables made of copper or silver get OLD Whatever gave you that idea? Not from anything I ever wrote! Read it again. teo_audio-
the wire is just a guide for the field. Good one. Keep thinking along those lines. woots-
Great posts MC. Appreciate you and the transparency. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insights.
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understand, that, for some people who already know everything about
audio this post may not be for them; but, for those of us still looking
to learn and gain insights on "all things" Audio, I appreciate people
who are willing share their stories so others may benefit. Good to hear. That is indeed what it's all about. Thanks! |
oregonpapa- I had the same experience when Tim Mrock sent me two experimental power cords to evaluate. We were going to use them in the system Tim had planned for last year’s Capital Audio Fest. I could only use them in the PH-8 (phono amp) and the CD player because of the connections. Hey, I’m using some mighty fine SR power cords that sound amazing, but holy-crapola Batman! ... Tim’s DIY cables blew everything down the tubes. Tim said that they were so labor-intensive that if he ever brought them to market, the eventual retail price would have been over 10k each. They were about as thick as an elephant’s trunk and stiff and heavy. I had them for three weeks, and sending them back was like pulling two ribs out of my side. I’d love an entire loop of whatever it was that Tim did with these things.
Frank Pretty darn cool when people send you stuff to evaluate like that, isn't it? Of course that will never happen to the people who mock instead of listen. So we got that going for us. Mr White is like that, extremely labor intensive, and extremely addictive. The labor intensive part, I'm told it uses 3D printed parts, the intricate assembly is not at all easy and takes hours and hours, and that is about all I'm comfortable saying. If all the guy had to do was snap his fingers to have one self-assemble it would be a no-brainer to sell them. But invention, prototype, and manufacture are three very different things. Mr White isn't that thick, only about 1.5" and relatively light and flexible. But with the labor-intensive aspect it would probably be up there with what Tim said. If indeed it can even go into production. It is one thing to make one or two, quite another to figure out how to produce consistently and efficiently on an ongoing basis. |
Yes if you read the article it is clear Caelin and Ted are examples of very advanced audiophiles who transitioned from DIY to creating new products and selling them successfully. There’s a pattern there, for those able to spot it.
Also if you read the article it is clear the cables are from "a guy" who is on this site and saw my disdain for DIY cables and there is a message there as well. He knew from my outspoken views on the matter that I would be a tough one to convince. Also as everyone here knows I am not shy about calling crap crap. My standard for crap is so high the first cable he sent me was crap in my book, even though I am sure that a number would call it quite good. Would not even be surprised to find some who would prefer it to my old Shunyata.
If you like a return policy then you should go with Ted. Synergistic has easily the best long term track record of consistently good cables, with the widest budget and performance range across the years. So there are so many great ones out there from new to old it is incredible. Like my Element CTS speaker cables, freaking outstanding wire even in spite of being 16 years old. But because they are that old they are only about $1200, and at that price I seriously doubt you will find anything better.
The ones I reviewed, if the guy gets to where he is willing to offer these for sale- and assuming he can figure out production and details like that- then he will let me know. And if he does then from what I have heard he will do very well indeed. |
