@wsrrsw - Excellent numbers. Now just watch it during the day. :)
Don't try to fix these electrical prolbems with a conditioner!
Over the years of hanging out here I’ve seen a lot of audiophiles with significant electrical problems try to fix them with a power conditioner. Lordy. Look I’m a big fan of power conditioners and as you all know recommend Furman often... but they can’t fix what they can’t fix, and may mask serious problems.
Ignoring an electrical problem in your home is to ignore a property and life safety issue.
Lights flickering? Feel a tingle when you touch your equipment (or washer or range)?
We are used to seeing famous authors recommend weird/bespoke AC panel solutions, or isolated circuits, which of course are not free. My two recommendations here will set you back $20 or less.
A tool every audiophile, no, every homeowner should have is an AC outlet tester. You can get them at any hardware store but I like the cheap-o Kawaits style from Amazon because they include AC voltage AND, critically, Neutral to Earth voltages. All you have to do is plug it in and watch the AC. Is your AC stable while playing music? Does the N-E ever rise above 2 Volts? Do the red lights on the top light up as they should? Then you are good. (PS, a nice voltage meter is better and more reliable, but this is an excellent and safe alternative for those who don’t have a soldering gun in their desk at all times. ) . Don’t stop at your audio rack, check your other outlets too, especially if you’ve moved into an old home.
The other recommendation is to at least inspect your outlet. If it’s just old anyway replace it with an outlet that is rated for commercial AND residential. About $5-$7. Make sure your outlets are using screw down terminals and not back-stabbed (i.e. push in) terminals. I wrote more about this here. Again, I know there are many here who are going to recommend bespoke extremely expensive jewel like outlets. My feelings about all that are in the blog. My point in this post is to suggest super cheap tests and improvements any audiophile can afford.
Be safe. If you see signs of electrical problems don’t patch over them with a conditioner.
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We don’t think of breakers as wearing out but they do. 40 years is a very good run for breakers, especially if outdoors. I replaced most of mine at 15 years and added a whole house surge suppressor. Hopefully this means I don’t have to think about this for 30 more years. Standards have changed though. While not required to come up to modern code I did, replacing indoor circuits with CAFCI and GFCI where required. This house was a rental, though rented to adults and service members. After 15 years of use, and several rounds of painters doing goodness knows what to the switches and covers I decided to do a whole-sale replacement of every wall switch, GFCI and almost every outlet in the house. Glad I did, I found a number of issues, and signs of prior arcing and resolved some "haunted" lights. You don’t have to go that OCD on your home, but this stuff is why I think that the bare minimum you should do is get a 3 light AC outlet tester and make sure things are wired as they should be. In addition to prior improper maintenance, light switches and outlets DO wear out as well. |
Hey @mikenike80s See this is exactly the problem we all have. Audiophiles think they get a dedicated line from the power company to their panel and they don’t. Lots of external factors come into play. While I absolutely don’t recommend fixing bad wiring issues in the home with a conditioner, I would rather have a power conditioner with voltage regulator like this one than to rely on a dedicated line. From years of watching my AC voltage fluctuate in apartments and my home, I know the biggest factor in having a stable AC voltage is everything going on outside AND how my HVAC is operating. Perhaps a dedicated line can reduce some noise, but it's not going to solve the neighbor problem or the HVAC problem. |
@goodlistgening64 Consider the case of a missing ground wire. This is not an audiophile issue. This is a life safety issue. If your outlet is 3 prong, and the ground is open or missing, or swapped with the neutral a basic safety feature of your home and equipment has been disabled. this is true if you are using an integratd amplifier or your clothes washer. So this is one example why I’m not really talking about this as an audiophile issue. It’s an electrical and life safety issue and finally it may ensure your system behaves well. :) |
That’s not how I would phrase it. I’d say this is what you should do to make sure your wiring is performing as intended. It doesn’t even have to be for your stereo or TV.
Wiring mistakes can and do happen. I moved into my current home when it was 15 and I found half a dozen issues. Do you have to check every outlet in every home? Maybe not... but if you feel like you have an actual AC problem maybe don’t try to fix it with a conditioner first. You also don't immediately have to go get a new panel with a dedicated line. This post is about how homeowners should check their important outlets first, with an absolute minimum of spend. Make sure your outlet is wired correctly and has a working ground. Then we can talk about power conditioners. I do worry about back-stabbed outlets however. Technically they are OK but I removed everyone I could find in my home. Having said all that, my HT system is fed by a Furman with a voltage regulator which gives me rock solid voltage regardless of the air conditioning, range or even most brown outs. However, it cannot fix a host of other problems I checked for first. |
- There seem to be like 6 versions of that which are identical except for the brand. None of them are "laboratory grade" or anything but all super convenient. Cheap, easy to use, you can leave them plugged in for days and monitor your AC, that alone makes them useful even if you have a nice multi-meter. In addition to the standard 3 light wiring checks which you can find from any hardware store electrical department these have two features I really like. One is Voltage reading, two is the Neutral to earth voltage, which is important in assessing both neutral connectivity as well as voltage sagging under load. Even if you get a bad one, worth buying two. I wish I could find a higher end version from Klein or Fluke or something but so far I’ve not found one with the N-E reading.
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Good for you, @whart - Occasionally I still run into stories of homeowners who have a home built in the 1960's with Federal Pacific Stab-Lok breakers. Owning an old home that's gone through several eras of electrical upgrades is a real challenge. It doesn't even have to be as old as yours to see not just several generations of work but also short cuts taken. |
Hey @atmasphere - I specifically wrote this for those on the opposite end of the financial situation. While yeah, it seems like many well-to-do audiophiles are able to and have spent money with an electrician to create custom AC solutions there are also those I read about here who try to avoid spending that money and try to fix actual AC problems with a conditioner, or some other patch, like a new outlet, when the problems they describe are more serious. @ghdprentice - Yes, yes it is. I’ve seen more than one thread her on A’gon start like that. "My lights flicker a few times a day, especially if I run up the stairs... what kind of power conditioner should I get..." In one such thread we convinced the OP to get an electrician who found their house neutral was bad. Not too long ago there was a poster who had current running through his interconnects.... I think that was a reversed L-N issue or something. Point is, peace of mind is cheap. Better to test and know than to let things linger. Unfortunately it’s exactly because we so often discuss the dedicated line, if not dedicated meter/panel/line that we exclude the less well-off audiophile who takes matters into his own hands via a power conditioner or strip. Having a safe and reliable outlet is something everyone should have, even if they can't afford the higher levels of AC customization. |