Do you trust your ears more than measurements?


I have a lot of audiophiles that say the ear test is the best. I believe them. Some of us have to do blind tests etc. I’m in the camp of trusting your own ears because no matter how something measures. Is it more pleasing to you with a particular cable, placement tweak etc. What are your thoughts everyone? 

calvinj

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A complex question. One example of why the ear, unaided, is not best.

1. I set up my rig. I thought the bass sounded great.

2. A longtime poster here recommended measuring to see what the SPL graph was, then adjusting things in various ways. I did that.

3. When I listened again, I had no idea how much better it could be. It was beyond my comprehension. Without measuring, I'd have never gotten there.

Repeat the above scenario for measuring impulse graphs and really focusing the soundstage. 

The ear is easily pleased. Measurement offers a way to try things which please the ear even more.

It's a dialectic.

Sad this has to be asked. Those trading measurements for clicks are misleading many.

False dichotomy.

I use my ears, 100%...
I have no idea how it measures. Sure sounds good, though.

If you’re happy, you’re happy. That doesn’t mean it can’t sound better. But if you’re happy not knowing that, good for you. Wallow in contentment! Enjoy!

Ones ears are a far more sensitive instrument than all of the commonly used measurements / charts taken together by an enormous amount. Trained ears / mind is an order of magnitude more sensitive.
So 100% ears.
I use my ears always. I’m in it to enjoy my music.

People who measure their rooms are in it to enjoy the music, too.

Ears are sensitive. But room acoustics are complex -- too complex for ears to contend with. No one surveys a field accurately by just "eyeballing it." Better measurements can lead to results -- results that our very sensitive ears can hear.

Is it too much of a bother to measure? Then just say that. But the supposition that "ears are enough" is just false.

You can listen without measuring but when time comes to figure out what’s wrong or could be made better you can only guess and the devil is always in the details....If you haven’t measured your room, you are working with a huge handicap. I suspect many would be off the hifi merry go round a lot faster once they come to the realization that it’s largely room acoustics they hear so it’s important to know what those are in order to be able to cut to the chase. Throwing more money at the problem alone is not a very effective way to fix what’s broken in most cases.

Exactly right. Of course, many on this thread sound content. If things sound good enough, then leave it alone. But I suspect the urge to bash measurement -- in conjuction with hearing -- is borne of a desire not to want to go there.

Audio is subjective.

But that statement is subjective, too, right? ;-)

However in the end the ears have it.

Of course.

I measure how much salt I put into a recipe. 

Then I taste it. 

If needed, a bit more salt.

If it tastes good, I write down how much salt went into the recipe for next time I make it.

Measure-taste-measure-taste. Memorialize.

Of course it ends with tasting. How could it not? ;-)