Do Audiophiles usually keep the gain of the digital source at around 80%?


My setup is:

A8 Eversolor DAC and streamer

McIntosh C12000 preamp

REL sub 810

Focal Sopra n1 speakers. 

861 Moon amp

I keep my McIntosh preamp usually between 50-60% volume. Any higher would make the sound thin like.

For the Eversolo streamer (which I am enjoying quite a bit for the money), I keep between 75% -85% max gain. With older songs that are recorded at lower volume, I have it at 85%. But with songs that are recorded louders (mostly newer songs) it would cause some/slight clipping at that level so I to have lower the gain to about 75% max gain.  

I saw that there was a max volume throughput option on the Eversolo, but when I try that I can’t really get the system as loud as I want it without clipping and distortion setting in early. 

Is this normal for Audiophiles to keep the gain on the digital signal about 80%?

Wasn’t sure if this should go into digital forums or preamps since both are used here, so I posted here. 

 

dman777

@sns  DMP-A8 features an R2R (resistor-to-resistor) volume control. This R2R (Resistor to Resistor) network, implemented with precision resistors and relays, is part of the DMP-A8’s fully balanced analog preamplifier section.  This says in the manual.  Where did you see that its volume control is in digital domain?  Did you actually own A8?

@devinplombier One thing we can agree on, I think, is that whether standalone or integrated to an amp or to a DAC, a preamp or preamp stage is always involved.

The quality 'gain' stage (or buffer) in Harmony micro Dac I was referring to earlier is NOT a preamp section, rather a 'voltage' gain stage serving two purposes: increase of voltage to line level and impedance matching.  It does not have the volume control to be qualified as a preamp section.  However, it drives my amp pretty well.  The 32bit digital volume control from Wiim Ultra renders no resolution loss, transparent sounding even down to low level.

at the risk of being labeled a VC snob, I am going to have to respectfully push back against the notion that a digital volume control, even a 32-bit one, is an acceptable choice in any but value-conscious devices.

I wouldn't call it snobbery, but there's definitely prejudice involved. I did a simple comparison between the digital volume control on the WiiM Ultra and the 64-step relay analog volume control on the highly praised Schiit Saga 2. At normal listening levels (60–65 dBA), the sound quality was nearly indistinguishable—both were detailed and transparent. However, at lower volumes around 45 dBA, I actually preferred the digital volume control. It delivered articulate bass and clear treble, while the analog counterpart sounded a bit muddy. You might argue that the Saga 2 is only mid-end and that a high-end preamp would perform better. But that’s precisely the point of this comparison: I was able to get better sound at low volume from a device like the WiiM Ultra, which is priced similarly to the budget-friendly Saga 2—whereas achieving the same low-volume performance with an analog preamp might require spending significantly more ($$ or even $$$).  Note that the soundstage shrinks in both scenarios—there's no clear winner in either case.

If the dac has a proper quality attenuator rather than adjusting volume in the digital domain there is nothing to be gained from a pre unless it has digital input substituting for the entire analogue stage of the Dac. I have yet to hear a non impedance based argument to the contrary and impedance is a non issue in 90%+ of all cases

@sns - I'm afraid it's YOU who are incorrect. lanx00003 is correct. I owned an A8, and it DOES have a 'proper' analogue volume control circuit, and it's VERY good. I tried it direct into my Threshold S300, bypassing my Audio Research Reference 3, and it was almost as good, which was a great surprise. It was so good that I thought that the pre-amp in the (twice the price) A10 must be better, so I thought I may be able to ditch the Ref3 with a purchase of the beautiful (IMO) A10, so I bought one. It's still not as good overall as the Ref3, so it's staying.

dmann777 - You could try the A8 direct into your power-amp, but it would depend on how many sources you need to switch, to determine if that's an option for you.

You must set your A8 to volume pass through, so you are not using the pre inside it, as, if you do, you are now using TWO pre-amps in line with each other! = not a good idea. So set the A8 volume at 100% and deal with other issues. Maybe the -3db thing, which is easily implemented in the A8, will help, but using RCA may be the answer to reduce possibly overdriving your pre. There is, generally speaking, no sonic advantage to using XLR unless you need to use very long cables.

 

According to one video, it looks like there is a setting to disable the preamp section of the Eversolo.  This is what is needed to use the Mac pre.