Directionality of wire


I am a fan of Chris Sommovigo's Black Cat and Airwave interconnects. I hope he does not mind me quoting him or naming him on this subject, but Chris does not mark directionality of his IC's. I recently wrote him on the subject and he responded that absent shunting off to ground/dialectric designs, the idea of wire directionality is a complete myth. Same with resistors and fuses. My hunch is that 95% of IC "manufacturers", particularly the one man operations of under $500 IC's mark directionality because they think it lends the appearance of technical sophistication and legitimacy. But even among the "big boys", the myth gets thrown around like so much accepted common knowledge. Thoughts? Someone care to educate me on how a simple IC or PC or speaker cable or fuse without a special shunting scheme can possibly have directionality? It was this comment by Stephen Mejias (then of Audioquest and in the context of Herb Reichert's review of the AQ Niagra 1000) that prompts my question;

Thank you for the excellent question. AudioQuest provided an NRG-10 AC cable for the evaluation. Like all AudioQuest cables, our AC cables use solid conductors that are carefully controlled for low-noise directionality. We see this as a benefit for all applications -- one that becomes especially important when discussing our Niagara units. Because our AC cables use conductors that have been properly controlled for low-noise directionality, they complement the Niagara System’s patented Ground-Noise Dissipation Technology. Other AC cables would work, but may or may not allow the Niagara to reach its full potential. If you'd like more information on our use of directionality to minimize the harmful effects of high-frequency noise, please visit http://www.audioquest.com/directionality-its-all-about-noise/ or the Niagara 1000's owner's manual (available on our website).

Thanks again.

Stephen Mejias
AudioQuest


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For those that believe wire is directional (be it low-level signal IC or high-level outputs to speakers), suggest you open your amps and pre-amps, look for the arrows showing the direction within the unit that are marked by the manufacturer (note: not the + or -, red or black connect point), then insure you are installing your IC correctly.  Of course all manufacturers pay attention to these details when they design and build the signal inputs within the unit

However, having said that, you'll be reviewing schematics and making phone calls to your respective manufacturer, because you likely won't find those provided within the unit.  Those can be are trade secrets.

As for directionality in speaker IC's, remember that speaker outputs are basically AC- one would NEVER want directionality in speaker IC wiring. However, you should be using IC wiring that is broken in.  Meaning that you actually used your 14 ga. lamp wire in a actual lamp @  120V/60 Hz for a period of time, this "season's" the wire, aligns the electrons, drives out the free oxygen in the copper- try it you can hear the difference! 
LOL, yes...  I've been a lurker for a while... but usually stay busy enough, I don't have much time for forums.  It's like watching Trump and Kim Jong Un sparring...

I'm an engineer by profession... work in defense industry... while lots of instances where this matters, it isn't in consumer electronics between audio sources.

My system is based around klipsch k horns with Crites mods and crossovers and altec valencias driven by either a mac mc240 updated and modded by mufich audio, or with a fully restored citation 2 with all Jim mcshane updates, that I completely rebuilt, then tested at mufich.

I build my own preamps, but also have a mac mx110 for comparisons... I prefer tube over ss, but some ss products sound quite good.  I like glow of tubes, but also how easy tube equipment is to mod and upgrade.  I make my own signal ic cables, and build my own speaker cables.  No snake oil needed, or used.
nonoise...

Sure, but as I alluded to, its not in the audio (more specifically analog vs digital) world. I wasn't trying to take subject matter beyond the interest in audio.  However in the RF (now we are out realm of "wired" interests) world, where one is interested in "using" low power RF signals emitted in free-space, there are numerous instances where directionality is impacted by material construction (type of insulation; Teflon being but one good example), type of conductor (Silver plated copper, and in some instances pure silver-  silver is a better conductor than copper), terminations, etc. and all are considered to reduce transmission losses (insertion losses), and maintain gain when you have exploited all that's possible from things like antenna gain, pattern coverage, etc.  However, one is dealing with signals that are much lower in emitted power than normally seen in low-power level signals from your phono player, CD, Preamp, etc. Often one is also dealing with frequencies that are in the GHz bands, not KHz as with audio.  However, none of this is fair nor applicable to the subject at hand.  Frankly the benefits of such wiring just isn't cost effective with audio signals.  However, that doesn't mean its not used to help sell lots of signal IC and speaker cables.

However, I'm sure that geoffkait can well appreciate some of this since he is totally wireless anyway.  I'm still working on my wireless approach, but alas its limited to Blue Tooth and WiFi as well as 2.4 & 5.6 GHz home networking products.  I'm still researching Nickola Tesla's work in wireless power transmission to see if I can build my own Wardenclyffe Tower, but my homeowners covenants prevent having one as tall as Tesla had.
My, a true renaissance man if there ever was one- good show!

We have much to appreciate in the modern world due to the contributions of fellows like Marconi and Tesla.  Just think what it might be like w/o them.  DC power and a power generation station at every major corner & intersection...   
I forgot to add that we would indeed have directional wiring in any case if we had DC for primary power.
What, nonoise, you are now suggesting I live in wrong part of the world?
 If I have to move, I'm moving to Demark or Sweden, where they have lots of good looking blondes and believe in full frontal nudity... I know which way my pole will orient there.
What on God's earth makes anyone think that directionality in wire can even be heard in audio signals @ KHz frequencies? If its just pure copper wire- and uniform in make, thickness, etc. across a fixed length, its a conductor, and it will conduct both ways the same- assuming all things are equal in the wire and in the "inputs" (i.e. terminations) on each end of said wire.

Having said that, I have seen scientific evidence where in the Southern Hemisphere that electrons flow in the opposite direction than they flow in the Northern Hemisphere.  Obviously, impacted by proximity to the magnetic poles of the earth.  That said, directionality is possible in the farthest parts of the northern and southern hemispheres, and non-directionality is best observed nearest the equator.  I live in Texas and closer to the equator than many in US, and likely this is the reason I don't see any hints of directionality in my stereo IC's and speaker wiring.
you guys have shattered my reality... I'm thinking I need to read Dianetics and see what the Church of Scientology has to say about laws of nature, physics, construct of atoms, electron clouds & movement. THEN maybe I can begin to understand wire directionality...