Denon Dl 103 cartridge soundsmith question

My Zu Denon 103R has a white sapphire cantilever and Paratrace stylus. If memory serves, the VTF with the original cantilever/stylus was 2.5-3.00 grams. Or something close. I set mine to 2.25 grams (ESCCO, the one that put the new cantilever/stylus on, said it could track at a lower tracking force than that specified by Denon).

You may try a higher VTF, and see if that helps.
Regards,
Dan

I would definitely take Dan’s advice with respect to higher VTF. I ran Soundsmith modified 103R’s for about 6-7 years including one in an ebony body with the the ruby cantilver and OCL stylus.

Personally I would not consider tracking that cartridge below 2.3 grams and would probably experiment between 2.3 and 2.4 grams. 2 grams is ridiculously low, 1.5 grams absurd.

The OCL is also likely to be the most difficult stylus you will ever have to set up. Very small changes to VTF, VTA/SRA and azimuth will throw it off and have it sounding far from its best. The window in terms of all three of these setup parameters is extremely narrow so unless you are very lucky in terms of setup you are going to be doing a fair bit of experimentation to get this cartridge really dialed in.

Try and get the azimuth dead on to start with and then experiment with very small changes in VTA/SRA from a neutral position (top of headshell parallel to record surface) while re-adjusting VTF (I would probably stick to around 2.4 grams in the initial stages) each time you have adjusted VTA.

Once you feel you have the VTA nailed down/properly set, then try reducing the VTF in extremely small increments (about .020 grams). There will likely be a sweet spot between 2.3 and 2.4 grams in which lower starts to sound a bit more aggressive and hi-fi-ish and higher starts to muddy the bass/lower frequencies.

Alright, time for further experimentation, :)  will update once i set up things properly. However since the cantilever is different i do not think i will be getting the same warmth the original cartridge is known for.

What you call "warmth" is low and high frequency roll-off of the conical tip that can't even extract what's on the record. You have much better tip and superb cantilever now for correct reproduction, but for some reason you want the sound of AM radio (the originally Dl-103 designed for radio broadcast in japan in the late 60's). 

I have set the weight to 2.35 for now, and would listen for couple of days. Everything else is properly setup, for now it sounds musical and has very good timber, but very very flat...not at all 3 dimensional at all. I am going to wait for couple of weeks until it opens up and then decide.