@roxy54 do not flatter yourself. Nor you Tom.
Counterfeit Chinese Cables
I thought that I would write this for those who are curious about one of the many counterfeit Chinese interconnect cables that are available these days. I know that there have been threads about the subject before, and I was always curious because they seem to be such a bargain. I don't really recall much about what any members actually said about the performance of these counterfeit cables, and I didn't look back and do any research, but a couple of months ago there was a thread that came around to discussing the quality of Chinese made components, and oldhvymec said something that made sense to me.
He said that people that say that what they are making is junk should consider that much of what is in our gear, and a lot of our American brands are actually manufactured there. I decided shortly after that that I would take the chance on a set of interconnects, because I suspected that the interconnects going from my pre to my amp were the weak link and needed upgrading. The interconnects going from my DAC to my pre were Kimber Select which are very good, but the other set were LAT International (now defunct) which had cost $500.00 when new, but I had reason to believe they were lacking because I have one of their digital cables that turned out to be very poor sounding in comparison to others I own.
I decided on a one meter pair of counterfeit Nordost Odin interconnects for a total of $104.00 from Aliexpress. I received them a couple of weeks later. They appeared to be well made, and the locking fake WBT rca's were very impressive and are very tight.
First impressions after installing them were light, thin sound, lacking bass. Each couple of days brought improvements, but from the beginning I noticed that they were quieter. Now, weeks later, I can say that they are drastically better that the LAT's in every way. Detail and ambience are much better, but it's the focus and separation of instruments that is most noticeable.
I have no way of knowing if they are really a copy of the Nordost design, but I am impressed enough that I am going to try a counterfeit Nordost digital cable.
Obviously, this isn't a comparison that is useful to most, because there probably isn't anyone here using the LAT's, and everything is system dependent. I just wanted to relay my positive experience.
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@thecarpathian Okay I overlooked that. Point taken, as should the point that they steal IP all the time. Thinking you have some of these bootleg cables?
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@ps yours are the most authentic cables in this thread. |
Audit this. If you are paying any tax on Ali Express it is not being paid to the taxing authority in the state you reside in. only a fool would think that. Oh, I have a few thing but I do not blatantly support counterfeit products or buy direct from CCP controlled entity’s. Unlike you my preference is to support small businesses in North America and the EU. A few dollars multiplied by how many transactions? The Counterfeit Cable Cartel’s.
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@bigtwin You can support a company in Canada, Makes a fantastic product, ships free and cost less than a knockoff. |
@spenav You win the dumbest post of the day !!!!!! So if they are not worried about it why do they file Patents, Trade Marks and Copyrights. These companies spend millions every year trying to stop the degradation of their brand and it products and by the WAY ITS AGAINST THE LAW! Folks that buy this crap are criminals too!!!!!!! |
@maxima95 psst want to buy a watch. How about some Ray Bahn sunglasses. |
Violating Patent's, Trade Mark and Copyright laws. Pure unadulterated theft.
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@roxy54 to quote Muddy Waters, "You can't spend what you ain't got, cant lose what you never had.
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Okay Roxy....They do all this and sell for $150 on the CCP eBay/Amazon aka Ali Express.. You are deluded. Like I said zero integrity, zero ethics. Enjoy that cheap chit and I will support North American cable manufacturers and their retailers. Fake is fake. Only people who can not and will not afford the original buys the counterfeit. |
@roxy54 so here is what I am going to do. I am going to order some of these alleged counterfeit cables, I will send a set to Cardas for counterfeit testing and analysis. I will send another set to my companies chemical/metallurgical testing lab in Ohio along with a known set of legitimate verified Cardas cables for testing. We will see who is right. pssst wanna buy a watch.
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@roxy54 you have evidence that states these are not counterfeit. Please present it. Also 60 year olds with disposable income are not buying fake Rolexes on Maxwell Street nor are the buying fake cables at Ali Express. Your shopping says volumes. |
Who did I insult? @spenav I apologize for that, just I am very very passionate about this issue. This very issue cost’s my business Millions every year. Enjoy your day. Read a few of the reports figure it out. Also all the tax dollars lost that could be used for? |
@melm guess you did not watch the Cardas video. That is okay you do you I just despise the entire counterfeit industry. Your opinions are very similar to the majority of people's justifications for buying counterfeit goods. All the top manufacturers of copper wire and cable are based in Japan and the US. I am sure they have extruders in China. The largest copper producing country is Chile then Peru, DR Congo, China, and the US is number 5
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@melm on how their cable and interconnects are manufactured. No point, I posted it so people can understand the difference between IP, real engineering and a knockoff. Have a great day.
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@ps SNL died 10 years ago. Show how significant you are. Good night pops. |
@rolox remember that when a plane crashes and kills people because an unscrupulous aircraft parts distributor or airline operator unwittingly or with prior knowledge installs counterfeit flap and alerion actuators rod ends. Said part fails and the aircraft crashes. Remember that when a repair shop buys what appear to be premium brake pads and hardware from a dealer on Amazon and said break pads delaminate from their backings and fail, Said SUV fly’s through an intersection and takes out 2 cars causing damage to personal property and putting lives at risk. If me calling you a name will cause a person inclined to buy this stuff pause before supporting these activities then the better. Now go enjoy your fake cables from a country that had threatened our Speaker of The House.
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Wow another Typo. So what? And I am me. Roxy you are wrong and are clueless on 8031 certs. Also it is the principal that counterfeiting is supported. Do you think these people are only making knockoff cables... Do what you like you are who you are and I pointed that out earlier. Have great rest of your day. You all are so special.
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@rolox As I stated before, nothing to do with race or country. Yes I do live my life to the code of ethics and integrity. The money you spent on fakes could have bought a quality cable from a small North American or EU manufacturer that is not stealing IP and or Trademarks.
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@roxy54 That is why many use blind testing. Eliminates bias, but you are right I do not care. I refuse to support this business when there are companies like Blue Jeans, Zafino, Signal Cable, Raven Audio that make product in the US and Canada that have the quality, and performance to compete with the brands being counterfeited. |
Top US Companies OFHC Wire: Top US Suppliers Raw: https://www.thomasnet.com/products/oxygenfree-high-conductivity-ofhc-copper-19751700-1.html
Top Companies producing OFHC Copper are:
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@spenav Okay sure.
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Okay @melm you are right: I stand corrected on the Tax. This also should also allow prosecution for selling counterfeit goods in those states. LOL FAT CHANCE AliExpress and Alibaba, AliExpress’s parent company, certainly have an economic presence in the US. AliExpress has warehouses and drop shippers all over the US, while Alibaba has U.S sellers and small businesses.
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