Considering switching from Audio Research to PrimaLuna, troube with VS115 amp


Hello everyone, I have question that I hope some of you either can answer or have an opinion on. Ever since I was 17, I have always wanted to own Audio Research equipment. I’m 56 now, and finally was able to fulfill my life long dream. My first acquisition was an ARC LS15 pre-amp bought here used in mint condition. I paired it with a Vincent 331MK hybrid amp also bought here used in mint condition. The resulting sound was impressive. After that, I started looking for an ARC amp I could afford. The resulting search found me an ARC VS115 amp also here in used, awesome condition. This is where my problems and my doubts started. Upon hooking up the amp to my system, a tube in the left channel arced and blew a resistor. I had to take the amp to an ARC dealer and he installed a new resistor and suggested I buy all new tubes from ARC for the amp. I did and when I got back home, I again hooked up the amp and immediately upon turning the amp on, I started to hear thumping sounds coming from my left speaker, then, two left channel output tubes started to glow a very bright orange, and then white smoke started to rise from one of the tube sockets. I immediately turned the amp off. I called the dealer and he suggested I mail the unit back to ARC. I did and I am now waiting to see what they say.

During this time, I started to search out other brands and came across one called PrimaLuna. I have watched their videos and seen them compared to ARC equipment. Their build quality seems to be superior to ARC and the reviews are over the top. I am looking at their Dialogue Premium HP amp and their Dialogue Premium pre-amp. For what they cost, considering how they are built and supposedly sound compared to units costing 3 to 4 times their price, they almost seem too good to be true. Anyway, my bubble has been burst, and in simple terms, I am considering jumping ship and going with another company instead of ARC, despite all those years of drooling and waiting.

My main question is this, is there anyone out there that either owns PrimaLuna or has had experience with the equipment and can give me their opinion on owning and using it. Then, my second question is how does PrimaLuna really compare to other high end equipment such as ARC. Kevin Deal in his videos on PrimaLuna makes a very compelling case for the equipment. In one video, he compares an ARC LS17SE to the PrimaLuna pre-amp.

My last question is in regards to my ARC VS115 amp problems. Anyone have an opinion on what is going on with my amp or a VS115 in general. For those of you who want to know what else is in my system, I am using KEF 104ab speakers, a Cambridge Azur 752BD Blu-ray player as my CD player, Morrow Audio Cables and I am considering getting the Sony HAP-Z1ES music player for my digital files.

I greatly appreciate all who take the time to comment and give their opinions. I will be glad to answer any questions you may ask or provide additional. Thanks for your help. Steve.


128x128skyhawk51

Showing 10 responses by samzx12

Sounds like Audioconnection has a beef with Uncle Kevy? Wonder why?I doubt Kevin would be posting without some sort of proof?
Johnny I have enjoyed this hobby for several years now and never paid over $3000 for an amp, preamp or integrated amp. ARC these days have forgot about affordability and shot straight for the stratosphere so the majority of audiophiles can't afford their products. If you can then good for you however, there are many products that equal or perform better than ARC for much cheaper prices. OH and build quality is better also. Kevin brings out a great point. ARC uses circuit boards mainly whereas PL uses point to point wiring. Hmmmm why is this? 
Johnny your biased sarcasm makes me laugh. Enjoy your Quicksilvers and I do quite fine choosing MY OWN components. Always have and always will. I just don’t overpay for my components for example companies that start with an A. :)

Happy 4th,
Sam
Must be a lot of ARC owners chiming in here but I do have one question. Why does the PL Dialogue Premium get rave reviews from very well respected reviewer's in Stereophile and other major audio publications? Just curious :)
Fsonicsmith you bring up some great points and thank you. I had no idea how long it takes to build from start to finish a Ref 6 however, as pointed out above I doubt it sounds five times better. Congrats if you can afford ARC these days but I sure can't. They made damn sure of it lol. Their business model totally changed and it's covered extensively in a not so long ago thread. 
Aniwolfe makes a great point. Turn it on triode and it all goes away. I completely forgot about that after reading the long post on harmonic distortion. 


Kot which PL did you compare the Rogue to? The Dialogue Premium is a different animal than the earlier PL models. 

Not sure if this is a fair comparison but I had a Rogue Tempest II which is a nice integrated amp. I tube rolled quite a bit. Talked to Mark at Rogue who suggested a quad of EH KT90.  I thought they sounded nice and then the tube rolling adventure began. The 6SN7 had the most effect so I rolled  in numerous pairs before finally settling on some Hytron 5817 I think they were?  Speaking from the cuff so probably wrong haha however, I was ready for a change. This is when I splurged for the PL Dialogue Premium and there was no comparison. The Rogue is nice but its not in the same league. I am not bashing Rogue at all trust me but the PL is a much better integrated and also even best some pretty good separates I have owned over the years. I will agree the EL 34 and KT77 are awesome tubes. 
dchang if you don't have anything positive to contribute I am sure most of us would appreciate keeping your negative comments to yourself. I'm sure Kevin can speak for himself but since I have known him he has been very helpful and forthright. I believe his experience speaks for itself.  He truly is a stand up guy, believes in what he sells and will help most anyone with tubed audio. 
Kevin or anyone what were the driver and gain tubes used for this comparison? I assume stock Primaluna 12au7 for both the Premium and HP?

Personally I think the KT150 is a totally different animal than the EL34. The EL34 is a bit richer, doesn’t have the bass slam or quantity and doesn’t have the sparkle as the 150. Parson’s pretty much hits the nail on the head. I do have the Premium (non-HP) FYI. 
Thanks tablejockey. Can't say I blame him for using KT150 as the HP version was running stock tubes.