Componets first, cables second?


I often hear about the improvements cables have made to systems, whether IC or speaker cables. Then IK hear the advice, buy the best components you can afford and upgrade cables along the way.

What I am wondering is is it, buy the best compnents you can afford and worry about cables later on down the road, or is it, a balance between the two to achieve the sound one is after?

For xample, to be more concrete, should I buy a better CDP and sacrifice on the cabling or should I buy a more moderate CDP and get a high quality cable?

Any expereince/advice is welcome
Cheers
mariasplunge
Paul, I don't see a "system" posted for you.Are you keeping a secret from us?I always find it interesting to take a peak at another members'system-it's almost like evesdropping on a conversation.You never know what you mught learn 8+} Tom

Shadorne: That's about all one can do as nothing EVER gets resolved. Sad part is, in this situation, is how some presume ones knowledge is limited by what type of equipment they currently own, or "System" depiction. That's the first jab somebody threw, yet they probably have but a fraction of your experience. Most of their knowledge is probably based on reading biased magazine reviews, equipment manufacture's propaganda, flavor-of-the-month bling-bragging components, etc, etc, etc. Then there's the endless "unsubstantiated/unverified" performance opinions that posters expect to be gospel, or backed by outlandish performance improvement hype. Which, of course, has been debated to nausea. It's almost impossible to fight the equivalence of this religion-like "machine". There's always going to be confrontational bullies, so just continue to offer cordial advice and ignore them as the bigger man. Not to say that debates aren't warranted, just the absence of personal attacks.

Sorry Mariasplunge, and yes, components first, then room-related issues/treatment for un-debatable performance improvements. IMHO
Metro, point well noted. Shadorne, I've read your comments throughout other threads and certianly respect your knowledge and advice particularly because it can and does go against the grain. A rebel spirit.

Save the attacks for some other type of forum.
Shardorne, apologies for the attutude in my previous posts. You are right, that solves nothing and shouldn't appear on this board. My apologies.

One cannot regenerate musical content that is lost by raising the treble a few db. Once lost, content cannot be retrieved again. And you are right, no pissing contest will sway anybodies opinion on that.

Dpac996, the notion that I claimed I spent more money [than Shardorne] or that an audiophile is somebody that has spent a lot, is a reality that exists in your imagination only. You are of course welcome to interpret my post in any way you you wish to make your point. (whatever that may be)

TP I do have an slightly out of date system on AA – I frequently upgrade my system and room treatments and couldn't really be bothered to keep it upgraded.

Regards
Paul
Whatever Pauly; I might have read too much into your posts (and or misread!), but I got a little riled up concerning your blatant rips on another's system. No harm no foul.
Happy tunes.

Everything makes a difference!

What that difference is remains to be seen/heard. How much it costs for that difference/improvement is up to the person laying down the duckets. Always.

I’ve had the opportunity to employ my main system cabling in or onto, my mass fi HT sys, from time to time. A significant change occurred as the result. A change for the better I would submit.

Whatever the philosophical bent one ascribes to in the process is fine enough. There is no exactly proper or right way to proceed. There is indeed no replacement for experience, yet no one has sufficient experience with all the available combinations of gear and cabling the market holds. My experience has shown me, that ‘usually’ more money applied to a thing has better results. Generally speaking.

Not always, but usually.

The ‘ticket’ for myself is the end result. I’m an “Are we there yet” sort. Therefore I’m a get it and keep it kind of nut. I’ve found that obtaining worthwhile goods at the onset, then massaging them will produce several results. Mostly different, some quite good, some not as good, but none of the tweaks or interchanges of cabling, tubes, or isolation have been outright losers. Simply different. Ultimately very good, and outstanding are the goals at my humble hacienda of sunburn and sonics…. Not perfection.

The ‘P’ word doesn’t work for me. Far too costly, and far too frustrating. That lack of adherence to perfection took some effort and time to overcome. I struggle with it still now and then.

I refuse to join one camp or another to the extent of exclusivity in philosophical methodology for the constructs of a system. What ever the steps or beginnings one takes are good enough to start with.

It is about fun. Enjoyment. Pleasure. …an involving experience. It’s not about a world beating better than anything or anyone else’s endeavor.

If ya like what yer getting’ keep doing what yer doing…. If not? Change what ya can.

Fer instance… I’ve had $2500 (retail) worth of cabling on a $3K (retail) CDP. What’s that say? Other than I’m a nut, I must like what I’m getting with that setup, as I didn’t begin there nor did I envision EVER putting that much into mere “wire”. Lately I’ve even tried to reverse the process and drop down a few notches in cabling prices just to see once more if I’ve completely lost me mind. Nope. Minds still there and in good enough stead to discern audible disadvantages from digressing below previous wiring accoutrement. So I’ll once again acquire a step higher level of source wiring than what had gone before. Only because my now system is more resolving and can handle the acquisition of greater detail and resolution the upscale cabling should provide… the litmus test as always, will be my preffs in sound. Nothing further.

That should always be the key IMO, personal satisfaction. Not keeping up with the latest and greatest, or even the “Jones’s.”

I’m not so sure even “balance” (as mentioned earlier) is the ticket for everyone… as preffs may preclude some aspects of the sonic presentation, or enhance a certain portion. Speaking to the financial end of things, some seller/makers ask what level gear you own and prescribe their ‘such & such’ accessories at a price point you may not be willing to deal with now or in the future.

I’ve an upscale preamp, that is supplied with a reasonable performing power cable, and have just added a pair of ICs that even at their retail price point, are but 25% that of my preamps retail value.

It’s not so much about unlocking the characteristics of the device so much as it is about my level of enjoyment I perceive from them. Within reason of course. My economic level dictates just how much ‘unobtainium’ I’m gonna get in the end.

High end audio and video is a big, big playground and like any playground there are usually more ways to win than just one. As in any game, sportsmanship and integrity are key IMO. ...but do play the game to the extent you can. Not to play is the only sure way to lose.
...i am available for cable and component testing too. Double or single blind tests. Naturally.