I think that’s the first time I’ve seen that particular argument used on an audio forum, the Appeal to Sympathy. Also known as Sob Story or the Galileo argument. I.e., logical fallacy. Seems to have worked quite well. I’ll have to remember that.
"argumentum ad misericordiam, the sob story, or the Galileo argument) is a fallacy in which someone tries to win support for an argument or idea by exploiting his or her opponent's feelings of pity or guilt. It is a specific kind of appeal to emotion."
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Al wrote,
"One further point which may be of interest regarding the various forms of electromagnetic waves that I mentioned, namely visible and invisible light, radio signals, X-rays, gamma rays, microwave radiation, and any kind of electrical signal."
Al, glad to see you hop on board the photon train. Compare and contrast what I wrote last year on this very subject on this very thread, to whit,
"All electromagnetc waves are comprised of photons. I.e., not only is visible light on the electromagnetic spectrum made of photons, but also X- rays, gamma rays, HF radio waves, SHF radio waves - everything on the electromagnetic spectrum. Including audio signals. They’re all photons."
Is there an echo in here?
😀
cheers
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Charles wrote,
"Mac I also have much appreciation for science and engineering. Knowledge is a good thing no doubt. I just don’t need to know the why and how of something to enjoy it. Give me an opportunity to listen to a audio product and I’ll render a verdict.
Lack of an adequate explanation as to how something works won’t detract from its performance."
On the other hand it can be quite entertaining to watch audiophiles’ eyes glaze over at the mere mention of electrons or photons or heaven forbid, quantum mechanics. Let us just hope with all our hearts no one ever starts a thread on quantum mechanics based tweaks. Let’s keep this civil. 😄
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jmcgrogan2
"Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet, just because it’s in quotes, with some famous persons name attached to it." - Abraham Lincoln
"You can’t PROVE it!" - juror no. 3 (the last holdout), 12 Angry Men
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lak
geoffkait,
I appreciate your vast knowledge and I learn from many of your posts.
We should all learn to be more tolerant of other's comments because after all they are EGO driven.
Imagnation is more important than knowledge. - A. Einstein
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If you give a person a fish he’ll fish for a day. But if you teach a person to fish he’ll fish for a lifetime. - Dan Quayle
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Uh, oh, I'm getting a bad feeling again. Did someone forget to put the Roach Motels out last night? |
calloway
It really doesn't matter what the naysayers think..They are great cables that outperform cables at greater than 10x the price in my system. The speaker cables on my Grail SET mono block amps,which are among the best made, are a superb match.
Huh? There aren't any naysayers on this thread.
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Boogie, Shillin. Whole Lotta Shillin goin on. Shill on the Hill. I Found my Shill on Blueberry Hill.
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I hate to judge before all the facts are in but the Graphene contact enhancer was probably not given nearly long enough to break-in. The Quicksilver Gold contact enhancer, which was the best of class, took at least 100 hours of playing music, even better using a break-in track, to break-in. I personally am so over having to wait around for things to break in, just to get some new thing that needs breaking in, ad infinitum. The fuses, the contacts, the tubes, the cables. Hey, La-Dee!. Lol
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perfectpathtech
Geoffkait- your right about the extreme av the best, however it took 1000 hours for breakin! Eight long weeks but well worth the wait!
How did you know when it was completely broken in?
There's no need to reply. It's a rhetorical question.
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Ozzy, I don’t blame you but that’s what everybody says about almost all contact enhancers whilst they’re breaking in. You probably should have given it a lot more time before cashing your chips in is all I’m suggesting. That way the new Graphene product would get a fairer shake. I also don’t put cleaners and sprays in the same category with all those silver, silver/gold, Graphene based enhancers. Just my opinion. Finally I don't really think you can draw any conclusions about the XTreme AV contact enhancer on the basis that it dries up over time. The silver is the part that's the enhancer not the medium. It's supposed to dry up.
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Graphene is helping make better tennis racquets as of four years ago and that’s about as much as I want from the stuff. |
ptss, are you off your meds or on your meds? 🤪
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Psst! Hey, ptss, you’re supposed to wear a helmet when you go into battle.
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The MIT facts are irrelevant. Wonder what NASA’s facts are. 🚀
We ain't gonna be treated like trash
We got one thing
We are the clash!
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Graphene oxide. Now, that’s a scam. Now you can buy two and three layer Graphene powder for chump change. Don’t get suckered by the Graphene oxide.
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post traumatic stress syndrome. I’m not hot doggin ya. 🌭 |
mapman
13,272 posts
05-11-2016 10:22pm
"Geoff please try to not get so bent out of shape whenever the SO words are mentioned."
I’m not bent out of shape. But I know someone who is. SO is what, significant other? Sales order? Special Operations? Sheriff's office?
Mapman also offered up one of his fast pitches,
"Have you developed that conscience you were considering or something?"
Have you given any consideration to going back to school? You know, knowledge is what’s left after you forgot all that stuff from school.
Mapman then attempted to stay on topic, for once, with this gem,
"Wires with radically different designs have the best chance of sounding different. I’m all for trying them especially when prices are competitive."
Yikes! OK, if you say so, Mapman. Where did you pull that from? Not experience, one assumes. You should patent your platitudes. Also, I think you meant to say you’re all for trying them when prices are cheap, not when they’re competitive.
Nice stalking with you,
cheers
Geoff Kait
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mapman
13,271 posts
05-11-2016 2:27pm
Geoffkait: "Gee, you don’t say? Rather than take such a pessimistic view, I’d rather take the opposite view, and that’s without even trying the Graphene stuff. I’d say revel in your time and thank your lucky stars that such things are popping up in audio devices."
To which Mapman responded,
"That’s fine. No need to argue. Some like to be early adaptors, on the bleeding edge, whatever one might call it. Others not. Graphene has potential for sure. Unlike "snake oil" which has none. That’s a big difference!"
What on Earth are you going on about? You seem to be full of platitudes today for some reason. Snake oil? oil? Got some examples? I’m dying to hear this. Let ’er rip, Mapman. Let the diatribe begin.
cheers
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Mapman wrote,
"Meanwhile, it is not yet a mainstream technology for home audio so take all claims with a few grains of salt but if the facts line up don’t be afraid to try if the value proposition works for you.
Also keep in mind better application of technology may equate in general with better performance but even that does not always = better sound. Sound quality will always be very much in the ear of the listener and a fairly subjective thing to determine in the end."
Gee, you don’t say? Rather than take such a pessimistic view, I’d rather take the opposite view, and that’s without even trying the Graphene stuff. I’d say revel in your time and thank your lucky stars that such things are popping up in audio devices. Audiophiles often seem to get ahead of the power curve when it comes to these newer materials and concepts. The stodgy old science community seems to have run out of imagination. Carbon nanotubes, carbon fiber, carbon powder, quantum dots, Graphene. Whenever industry and science is having difficulty coming up with applications for these powerful new materials audiophiles will figure out how to improve their sound. Snooze you loose.
Cheerios,
geoff kait
machina dynamica
we do artificial atoms right
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James Randi Offers $1 Million If Audiophiles Can Prove $7250 Speaker Cables Are Better
From Gizmodo,
"....$7,250 Pear Anjou speaker cables found its way to the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF), and Randi offered $1 million to anyone who can prove those cables are any better than ordinary (and also overpriced) Monster Cables. Pointing out the absurd review by audiophile Dave Clark, who called the cables "danceable," Randi called it "hilarious and preposterous." He added that if the cables could do what their makers claimed, "they would be paranormal."
From JREF: "We see that the Pear Cable company is advertising a pair of 12-foot "Anjou" audio cables for $7,250; that’s $302 a foot! And, as expected, "experts" were approached for their opinions on the performance of these wonders ... Well, we at the JREF are willing to be shown that these "no-compromise" cables perform better than, say, the equivalent Monster cables. While Pear rattles on about "capacitance," "inductance," "skin effect," "mechanical integrity" and "radio frequency interface," - all real qualities and concerns, and adored by the hi-fi nut-cases - we naively believe that a product should be judged by its actual performance, not by qualities that can only be perceived by attentive dogs or by hi-tech instrumentation. That said, we offer the JREF million-dollar prize to - for example - Dave Clark, Editor of the audio review publication Positive Feedback Online."
cheers
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