@rauliruegas You posted this: " Problem is that that gentleman is really a " roockie " in that specific issue but he think as his followers is an expert and is far away from there., like it or not all of them unfortunatelly(sic) are wrong." Firstly, it is rookie and not roockie. The gentleman you are referring to has not responded to the comment, but I think it is very insulting of you to state such a comment! Are you such an 'expert' in analog reproduction that you believe that a long standing manufacturer and hobbyist warrants this kind of reply? If I am one of his followers, perhaps that is because I have been in this hobby for many decades and happen to know that his points are 100% correct when it comes to this aspect.OTOH, I'm no expert, certainly not like you seem to think you are!!!!! |
@rauliruegas What 'facts' have you given that the cartridge is more important in the hierarchy than the tonearm? It has been shown by Origin Live and others that the hierarchy is tonearm first and cartridge second. You don't believe this to be the case, but that is far from a 'fact'.
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@tyray I fail to see the relevance of the question in your last post?
The cutting tool that is mounted on the end of the arm on a cutting lathe at the time of the lacquer mastering is not a cartridge/stylus. But if you are asking if that cutter is more important than the arm to which it is attached to, i would say again.. no. If the arm that is directing the cutter is at all problematic, there goes the accuracy of the cut. |
@klooker The Linn philosophy with regards to tonearms seems to be that the ability to adjust azimuth is not important. Your Ittok has limited adjustability in regards to a number of set up parameters. Linn seems to think that the cartridge manufacturer should have exacting manufacturing tolerances to make azimuth errors irrelevant. This is not something that I personally believe occurs. Unfortunately, the weak link with the Linn platform is the Linn arm(s),although no one connected to Linn will agree with me. |
@atmasphere I agree with you 100%, the arm is more important than the cartridge. This is fairly easy to hear, place a lesser cartridge on a great arm and you will hear everything that the cartridge can give off, however, place a great cartridge on a poor arm ( and there are a ton of those) and you will not hear what that cartridge can do. |
@klooker To get back to your OP, with an Ittok, a good cartridge would be Linn's own Krystal. The Benz Wood cartridges are all good, but not that easy to source these days.
BTW, Linn's philosophy on upgrades is from the inside out...so the tonearm is less important than the power supply which is less important than the bearing etc., the tonearm is more important than the cartridge.
A cartridge that would be a step up over the ones mentioned would be a Lyra Delos, BUT you would need to be able to have it set up with greater precision than the others. |
@rauliruegas Your post is one that seems to take what I posted totally out of context. ( I know you are translating into English, so I understand the ability to misinterpret my posts).
There are clearly going to be issues with the tonearm to cartridge synergy if either one of those components has an issue with the other. To that, if a set-up is incorrect or there are problems upstream, then neither component is going to sound its best. This is not something that I was addressing in my post, and frankly should be fairly obvious to anyone that knows anything about analog set-up.
There are a number of what i consider to be poor arms on the market, and while this may be relative in a total sense, I have experienced arms that simply leave a lot of information from the groove behind. As an example, you mention Linn arms...some of which are ok, but none that I am aware of can adjust for azimuth.The Linn Basik Plus arm was IME an arm that was totally veiled and not worthy of the table. There have been a number of Technics arms that are also not what I would consider as 'high end'. While this is of course again relative to what is available from entry level turntable/arm combos, there are simply a number of 'poor' sounding arms ( in this context ..veiled) on the market. You mention Jelco and Rega, which while they are fine for what they do, I would think that even you would admit that they simply do not compete against something like a Reed or SAT ( and they really shouldn't given the large price discrepancy!)
Sorry, but what Ralph posted about tonearms being more important in the hierarchy than cartridges is something that I believe to be true. |
Firstly, i want to say that I still agree with Ralph 100%. The arm is more important than the cartridge. IME, that is a FACT.
Secondly, tyrays analogy to the boom and microphone is a false analogy when it comes to tonearm and cartridge, like Ralph alluded to above.
When i have been in a recording studio as a pro studio player, not once did I see the boom moving around any type of axis to follow what the mic was doing (Yikes). The boom had to remain in place, and in fact the goal was for it to be as stationary and stable as possible. Sure there are numerous other pieces of gear in play while the recording is going on, so what? This analogy is false.
Lastly, I have to say that I also think that Raul likes to argue for the sake of arguing, I have never once seen him admit that he could possibly be in error! The snippet that cd318 posted from the Origin Live website says a lot, even though I'm sure Raul will dispute that also!!! |
@tyray. You wrote this in your post:" I have a question for you. And this is not for arguments sake. I’m just curious.
When a blank piece of vinyl is cut at the factory, in your opinion which is more important. The cartridge/stylus making the grooves or the tone arm?"
Given your last post to me it is clear that what I suspected was true. You had no intention of being non argumentative and that post was ’BS’, the exact opposite was correct given your follow up post. Additionally, as Ralph pointed out to you it is a lacquer that is cut at the factory not a ’blank piece of vinyl’. You didn’t like my reply, and now you think you can come here and try and belittle my question to you...which still stands...how is your question relevant?
I have a great suggestion to you in the meantime, please put me on your ignore list, as I am doing for you. Have a nice day. |
@atmasphere LOL, you are 100% correct. I too noticed that dear Raul didn't take it upon himself to consult with a tonearm manufacturer or turntable manufacturer....but that would risk him getting an opinion opposite to his! |
