Can You Trust a Shipper? (UPS, Fed-Ex, etc)


No you cannot, and here's why: In July, I bought a Rotel tuner from an ebay seller with a rating of 99.8% on hundreds of transactions. He shipped the tuner via UPS, who delivered the tuner to a business a few miles from my house. Someone from that business signed for my package (it is a warehouse that takes in merchandise from retailers that is being returned to the wholesaler from whence it came). It took several weeks to find this out, and I went to the business back around Labor Day to see what they had to say. I was allowed into the warehouse to do a cursory search for the package, but there must have been 4,000 - 5,000 boxes. PayPal denied a claim I had filed, because the tracking info the seller shared with them showed the package had been delivered. I went to the local UPS store today and was told that a claim had been filed by the seller with UPS and they would have reimbursed him. Moral of the story: Always have your signature required when you have anything shipped, unless you want to fall into this same black hole. Better yet, avoid having anything shipped unless it is from an actual retailer or other reputable company.

 

discnik

I get stuff shipped to me via various carriers. The key is packing and palletizing. 

Bespoke shipping- the guy with the Halliburton case handcuffed to his wrist tends to cost. I once inquired about shipping jewelry- not something that is easily dealt with as a citizen, but the dealers know how to do it. I rely on DHL Express for records outside of the US--I typically get them in 5 days. 

Ditto, Japanese post-priority. Fast.

But for gear, you have to take extra precautions. Part of it depends on the sender to do it right. When I had my old Quad Loudspeakers restored, Kent McCollum shipping me good packing, then arranged for UPS ground to pick them up-- the UPS guy palletized the packed boxes, and when Kent was done, they were shipped to my new location in Texas. Not a problem.

With Lamm, they use wooden shipping crates with custom foam. Require air freight. Thankfully, I have not had to do that- I used to be in NY metro and would drive them over to Vlad (RIP). 

It can be done without issues. I had a friend who used to ship multi-sk-zillion vintage racing cars all over the world. Same deal- palletized, shipped as air freight. Lord only knows what that costs now, used to be 5k one way. You don't need to spend like that to ship a piece of gear, but packing and palletizing is key in my estimation.

Bill Hart

Amen, grislybutter! UPS customer interface protocol is designed to confuse, confound, and perplex anyone with a complaint to the point that they just give up. I consider myself to be fairly intelligent, and I was like a blind man in a maze when I tried to find an answer to what had happened.

On Friday July 19th of this year I purchased a Conrad Johnson GAT S1 from The Music Room. In the deal they agreed to pay for next day shipping via Fed-X to the company I run (not my home) because we have a receiving dock and a receiving team ready to sign for items arriving. My rationale for next day delivery vs ground is because there are fewer stops along the way with fewer changes of transports. So I thought. On Monday morning July 22nd the package was at my local Fed-X center and then on the truck for delivery between 10:00 AM and 1:00 PM. At 11:05 I checked and the Fed-X tracking stated that it had been delivered and signed for a by "W.Brown". Problem is, no such person works for me. I went to my receiving dept, ant indeed Fed-X Express had not been by and I did not have my package, even though Fed-X showed it as delivered. TMR was notified and Fed-X entered an investigation. After nothing for two days, miraculously a man showed up in our lobby with my package. He informed my receptionist that he works at a warehouse nearby and the Fed-X driver had dropped it off there with multiple other packages. Thanks to this good gentleman, my CJ GAT shoed up unopened, unmolested, safe and sound. The next day, Fed-X notified TMR that the package had been found. Lesson learned by me: Have packages held for me to pick up at the Fed-X distribution center two streets away from my company and do not let their drivers touch it.

That is exactly what happened to me, but the recipient in my case was not trustworthy, so you are one lucky duck!

With FedEx or UPS, do your due diligence and hope for the best. If you want extra care; pay bit more, palletize and ship it via FedEx Freight. High value content, opt for signature required. Even then, no guarantees. If you’re OCD about the shipping and condition of the component, buy from a reputed retailer. 

I have been buying and selling components over 20 years and almost in all instances, buyer don’t wanna pay fees or shipping cost. If you wanna cheap out as buyer, don’t expect seller to go extra mile for you. It’s a business transaction, both parties must feel good about the transaction…discuss and set expectations prior to finalizing a sale.