Can I run 4 ohms into 8 ohm speakers?

I'm confused, are you running the Tyler speakers and the subs off the same EAR amps? Is this what you mean by "I effectively reduced it to 4 ohms"? If so, I would cease this practice immediately and get a powerful solid state amp to drive the subwoofers.

Agree with JMC. If so you could wire them in series creating a 16 Ohm load, but it sounds like you are wiring them in parallel and blowing stuff up. Be careful.

John (Jmcgrogan2), note that his reference to the subs appears to indicate that they contain their own 500 watt amplifier. Assuming that is the case, and if the subs are driven by the EAR amps via speaker-level inputs, the subs' inputs will present a completely negligible load to the amps. HOWEVER, it is still possible that the presence of the subs is causing the problem (see below).

Also, I believe that what Drpat is referring to when he says "effectively reduce it to 4 ohms" is the fact that in bridged mono mode a given speaker impedance will be seen by each of the two output stages of an amplifier as 1/2 of that impedance value. That is because for a given output voltage that is produced by each of the two output stages twice as much current will have to be supplied by each stage as in stereo configuration, since the "other side" of the load impedance (i.e., the speaker terminal that is connected to the other output stage) is being driven to an equal and opposite voltage by that other output stage.

DrPat, can you describe EXACTLY what the EAR instructions are, for using the amp in mono mode? I couldn't find a manual online. And I'm not sure if when these amps are used in mono mode they are being bridged, or if the two channels are simply being paralleled (those being two different things).

And also can you describe EXACTLY how the powered subs are connected to the system? If they have speaker-level inputs that are being driven by the EAR amps, as I mentioned above their high input impedance will present a completely insignificant load to the amps. However, depending on how they are connected, and on their internal grounding scheme, and on the internal grounding scheme of the amp, they could very conceivably be responsible for the problem, if the amp is bridged. That could occur if the minus/black/ground speaker-level input terminal of the sub is connected to an output terminal of the amp which drives a signal when in bridged mode, as opposed to being grounded.

Regards,
-- Al

Thanks so far for the responses. FYI. The subs are connected via line out 2 on the preamp. Line out 1 goes to the 890's. Then 890 out to the monitors.

Almarg, from EAR:

1.Stereo/Mono switch to Mono
2.Connect one channel of the preamp main out to the 890's
Left channel input Only.
3.Connect the "hot" speaker lead to the left channel's output and the ground lead to the ground. Then, using a high-quality cable, connect the right channel's output to the left channel's corresponding output.

Thanks for the help/comments

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Is this a miss type or are you saying that you are connecting the amps right and left channel outputs together?

Jjrenman, not a miss type. These are the instructions verbatim from E.A.R.

OK, so it appears that we can most likely eliminate the subs as having anything to do with the problem, unless something really subtle is going on.

And it appears that the amp channels are being paralleled, not bridged. That can be done with some tube amps, although not without some risk.

So if I understand correctly you are connecting the positive terminal of the speaker to the 8 ohm tap of one amplifier channel, and you are also connecting that 8 ohm tap to the 8 ohm tap of the other amplifier channel. And you are connecting the negative terminal of the speaker to the common/negative/probably black terminal of one of the amp channels. You are connecting nothing to the common/negative/probably black terminal of the other channel. And by setting the stereo/mono switch to mono and just connecting an input to the left channel you are presumably causing the same signal to be processed through both channels.

Here are the thoughts that occur to me:

1)I'm assuming from the instructions you quoted that the common/negative/black terminals of the two channels are connected together internally in the amp, and an external connection is therefore not needed. But I wonder a little about that. If you have a multimeter I'd suggest verifying that a dead short (zero ohms) exists between the two common terminals.

2)To realize the power increase that paralleling the channels can provide, you should be using the 16 ohm taps for an 8 ohm speaker, not the 8 ohm taps. But I don't think that using the 8 ohm taps instead would in itself cause any damage, and it might even sound better as long as the amp's power capability is not exceeded.

3)What might cause the problems you have experienced, it seems to me, is if anything were to cause one of the two amp channels to "try" to put out a substantially different signal than the other channel. That might result from:

(a)Not setting the stereo/mono switch to mono.
(b)Having a small signal tube in one channel that is weak or dead.
(c)Having tubes in the two channels that are significantly different in their characteristics.

Not sure what else to suggest at this point.

Regards,
-- Al

Almarg, thank you again for the reply. My 890's only have 8 and 4 ohm taps available.