Burn in Step up transformer with ipod.


Here is question for you guys. There are cd products out there that reduces the output of CD players to low levels so that they can burn in phonostages and step up transformers safely.

Most cs players output between 2-4 volts which can damage phono step ups. With an ipod, the headphone output is 30mv. If i pay a track via the ipod and connecting it to a step up transformer with rca and play at low volumes, wouldnt it be the same thing as what these products do?
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Showing 3 responses by john_tracy

Kevin Carter of K&K Audio, the US distributor for Lundahl transformers burns in new MC transformers with line level signals. As long as transformer is properly loaded and phono stage is off or not connected I see no problem. In fact, burn in is quicker. I burned in a pair of LL1931AGs ($900ea Lundahl silver MC transformers) in this manner.
I just fed the input with the phono pre turned off. You will probably want to use a high value of resistance as a load so as not to load down whatever device you are using to provide the signal too much. Remember, if the load resistor is on the secondary you will have to multiply the load resistance you want by the square of the transformer's turns ratio. e.g. for 47K at the input with a 10:1 transformer you would use a 4.7M resistor across the secondary.
I can't believe the amount misinformation and bad advice that is being spread on the web by these forums. Against my better judgement let's address some of the issues raised on this tread:
1 - an AC signal of .2-.3Vrms will not saturate the core of a MC transformer. It will in fact be more effective at demagnetizing the core than the typical .3-.4mV signal from a MC cartridge. BWT, it is a myth that prolonged core saturation will damage a MC transformer. Now if your source of a burn in signal has a DC offset at its output it will magnetize the core. In that case inserting a capacitor in series with the output will block any DC.
2 - you won't "burn out" the windings of a MC transformer by feeding it a line level signal. To see why consider this thought experiment. Take a large power transformer. Measure the DC resistance of its primary winding. Typically this is in the range of 0.3 ohms or so. Take a 0.3 ohm resistor and plug it into a wall socket. It will probably explode with a big puff of smoke. Now plug in the primary winding of the power transformer with an unloaded secondary. Same DC resistance but no fireworks. Why? Because the transformer's winding is an INDUCTOR! Inductors appose the flow of current. That's what they do. Now MC transformers do have fewer turns on their primary than line level input transformers (to better match the low impedance of a MC cart.) , they still have enough inductance that any line level signal will not "burn out" the windings. As a note, most manufactures of MC transformer use heavier guage wire on the primary of a MC transformer than they use on a line level input transformer to limit I*2R losses.
3 - as to using an inverse RIAA network this will certainly do no harm, I just don't see the point. These things are very useful for measuring a phono preamps frequency response. But if you have ever used one to do that with a MC transformer input you may be left wondering why your unit has no bass response. The reason for this is the MC transformer needs the low source impedance of a MC cart. The inverse RIAA network presents the transformer with a very high source impedance. The result of this interaction is a rolled off bass response. It actually might take longer to burn in your transformer with this lack of excitation from low frequency signals.
4 - as to the possibility of damaging a solid state phono pre by inputing a 10Vrms signal into a unit that is turned off, get real. If someone can come up with a real example of this, show me the circuit and I will eat my words. A well designed unit should not be damaged even turned on. If that signal some how shocked the input stage into some type of destructive oscillation then the unit was probably crap to begin with.