"Burn in" Are you serious?

Jostler3, you are right, I do not have a technical reason why burn-in exists, I have never seen God but that does not mean God does not exist. If you had experienced what Perfectimage did with the two pre-amps would that have convinced you of burn-in or do you need the reason for burn-in to be explained and some how, if possible, scientifically explained. In other words, would you believe what you heard. I think debating this is silly when you can take the time, if you really wanted to and do the comparison yourself. I hope you don't think I am trashing your views, I am not. As you pointed out, I do not have an explanation for burn-in. I don't need one cause I hear it.

Brulee - my question would then be, have you given up any interest in determining the reason for burn-in? I'm not being critical if you have given up any interest in examining the technical possibilities behind what you've experienced and attributed to burn-in, but it would confirm the point several have made that this discussion is pointless since it has no possibility for resolution. The parallel reference to the existence of God suggests that point of view is that burn-in has to be taken solely on faith, since the cause of its effects can't be proven, but the effects have been experienced.

I'm guessing the Jostler3 HAS taken the time to do the comparison as we all have to when we buy a new component and, like many, did not hear an effect. This has been my experience as well. If I had heard major differences, I believe I would be very aware of them as I have made many changes to my system that caused changes, both profound and subtle, that I noticed. Every time I hear a change, I try to explain it to myself, and I'm sure I don't always identify the reasons correctly. That's why I like this type of board. In any case, my point is that I don't think anyone who heard a difference would attempt to deny the difference just to stick to making a point that a certain phenomena doesn't exist.

BTW, in my above post, I did not listen to my cables while I burned them in, so there is no way that I got used to them. I listened to them, flinched, disconnected them, used other cables while I connected mine to device I have that generates pink noise for several days, put them back in, and did not flinch.

Do we know the boundaries of quantum physics? Did Max Planck explain it fully or just make us aware of its existence for others to expand on? Will we ever understand it fully? Yes indeed Bmpnyc here we go round and round in the "Circle Game". I agree with the proponents, for whatever its worth. Have heard it on some gear and not on others. Why? It is one of those things that hasn't and to date can't be fully described scientifically. Those inquiring minds that do hear it and ask why and are perservering enough to find an answer may one day be able to explain it to the rest of us.

Brulee: You ask a very fair question, and the answer is, No. If I had experienced the same change that Perfectimage experienced, I would not conclude that burn-in was a real phenomenon. The reason I wouldn't should be obvious from my previous posts: I could not be sure whether the change I perceived was caused by a physical change in the equipment or by my own acclimation to the sound. I would be more willing to attribute that change to burn-in if some physical explanation were available. I'd also be more willing to attribute it to burn-in if someone were to demonstrate that acclimation doesn't really happen. Until that time, I remain a skeptic. You're free to remain a believer. And anyone who's on the fence (lurkers, obviously, not posters) can consider both our points of view, do their own listening, do their own reading, and make up their minds for themselves. You and I are both helping them do that, which is why I think these theological arguments really are worthwhile.