@c Tubegrover, Hi, I apologize for offending you with my post, I relate to Broadstone very well, and understand what He is saying entirely, what I am saying is I was where He is now early in my audio years, Then, I got exsposed to what I thought was not possible in audio, what happened to me is what TbG said in his post, I also agree with TBG, I will not go back!, Broadstone is better off not listening to such systems and cables, He will keep all his money this way, He will not get the audio-nerversa disease that a few of us have!, cheers. |
Aspestos Fruit Of The Loom undies on. |
03-11-14: Isochronism
Aspestos Fruit Of The Loom undies on.
LOL! Help! That image is burning in my brain!! |
Audiolabyrinth, please don't think I'm unhappy with where I am. I don't want to get off the merry-go-round. I am still thrilled with realism and I have met some great people. I must also say that I don't understand people who have no passions. Year ago I had three passions-audio, racing catamarans, and seeing the world. I don't live near the ocean anymore and I've seen most of the world other than Antarctica.
Last night I discovered that some amps are enormously improved being on Star Sound Tech. Sistrum Apprentic platforms. Others are not. |
Audiolabyrinth you didn't offend me in the least, neither did Jmcgrogan, there is no need for any apology whatsoever.
It seems the thread started off on the issue of Broadstone not being able to discern differences in cabling. The thread turned in a different direction as often happens when audiophiles discuss their experiences. My last comment was directed as much towards Broadstone's previous post not to you per se. I totally agree with you, I was ALSO where he is years back, didn't believe cables made a difference at all until that epiphany moment when it became quite clear that I was mistaken and greatly so. You are so right, at that point there is no turning back. Interestingly enough that moment arrived with Tara Lab ic's that a friend brought over for me to "hear". I reluctantly conceded and my journey into cabling and more serious audio began. Fine tuning an audio system to acquire a desired result is the REAL education. There are no shortcuts to the learning process. What I have learned is that it is best to leave preconceived ideas at the door and always trust the finest tool you have at your disposal, your ears, it accelerates the learning curve.
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Tubegroover, lots of rational people on this post. Unfortunately, trusting your ears is trial and error. There really is no predicting what you might hear. I had an experience yesterday of this. I had a new isolation platform and tried it under two amps. It helped one slightly and the other enormously. I think maybe this is a matter of isolation of the ac transformer in the two amps. One is better isolated I would hypothesize and thus the effective rack did little, But the second amp far surpasses the first. Fortunately I own the second one, not the first.
How long am I going to continue this trial and error? I've owned 29 different speakers. My present speakers weigh 198 pounds each and I'm in a second floor listening room. I doubt if I will ever replace them until I have to downsize greatly. Amplifiers that weigh close to 100 pounds also are unlikely to be replaced either. Enjoy the ride while you can guys! |
How long am I going to continue this trial and error?
I would only say this Tbg, as long as you feel necessary. You really made my point "trusting your ears is trial and error", and work. How much time one is willing to expend in the "trial and error" process to get satisfaction. Satisfaction itself is often times temporary, depends on the individual. You see, this is what makes us audiophiles instead of just being satisfied with the status quo, the remaining 99% that aren't inclined or should I say "wired" the way we are. And in that 1%, the audiophiles, some are wired tighter than others. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with anything more than some are more compulsive than others. After all, the industry depends on that, but it also propels progress in my estimation. |
@ TBG, Oh No, when I said that, what happened to me in your post, it was the few times I listened to systems that I thought audio could not go to that kind of performance, then after that, I was ruined!, there gos all my money!, then I related to you about after this exsposure, I cannot go back, nothing to do with being unhappy, I suppose you misunderstood what I was tring to say, happens all the time with me, LOl! |
"03-12-14: Tbg
Audiolabyrinth, please don't think I'm unhappy with where I am. I don't want to get off the merry-go-round. I am still thrilled with realism and I have met some great people. I must also say that I don't understand people who have no passions. Year ago I had three passions-audio, racing catamarans, and seeing the world. I don't live near the ocean anymore and I've seen most of the world other than Antarctica.
Last night I discovered that some amps are enormously improved being on Star Sound Tech. Sistrum Apprentic platforms. Others are not."
You really need to get to Antarctica. If you've never heard naturally cryoed cables before, you are in for a real treat. |
No matter which side of the fence you reside on, one thing you've got to admit is there is a lot of love in this hobby.
Some of these discussions set an example of how easy it is to be civil.
That's why I enjoy this site.
All the best,
Nonoise |
oops!, I meant for my last post to be for Zd542, Not TBG, very funny, I did not see the zd542 above the TBG, my mistake. |
I agree with you, Nonoise. Regardless of sometimes vastly differing opinions, most arguments are well taken and, to use your description, consistently civil. It's refreshing and provides some comfort for those of us who may be somewhat less knowledgeable in certain aspects of the hobby, to participate in these discussions.
Getting back to the topic, the one point I'm taking away from this discussion is that, if I continue this quest, sooner or later I'll possibly have honed my listening skills enough to identify differences in speaker wire and how that ability will help me tune my system. Although I'm quite happy with my system the way it is and it possibly is the best I can expect with my combined components, I won't let that stand in my way of chasing the ghost. |
03-13-14: Broadstone
Although I'm quite happy with my system the way it is and it possibly is the best I can expect with my combined components, I won't let that stand in my way of chasing the ghost. Final warning: If you are happy, leave well enough alone. Chasing that ghost can become a very expensive quest. |
Obviously there are two sides to the cable debate. The objectivists are always teasing about this 'golden ears' ability that the subjectivists supposedly must possess to hear differences. Well that assumes everyone has equal hearing, but that's not the point. I suggest people take this test https://www.goldenears.philips.com/en/setup_browser.html
This will prove that not all of us are equal as far as 'hearing' and by saying 'hearing' I don't mean in the general sense. Two people could test exactly the same on a standard hearing test but have entirely different results in the test above. My wife can hear way better than I can but she fails this test miserably while I pass it easily. If everyone's ears were equal then everyone would have the same results on this teat. It's not just ears, it's how the brain is able to interpret it. |
ha ha....that's 'test' not 'teat'. |
