Axpona 2019


List your best stops on Friday. Lobby bar not included.

1. Sanders
2. Spatial
3. Vimberg 

I am barely 1/2 thru as of Friday eve.

I need yours asap for the weekend please.
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as my second audio show in 30 years I did enjoy axpona but I'd probably not go again unless I was specifically wanting to hear a speaker that I was seriously interested in buying and was otherwise unable to audition (i live close so could consider it an audition of sorts). For me personally the unfamiliarity of most music meant I really could not decipher what I was hearing in relation to the systems average signature. Many rooms were playing midrange centered music with good recordings often just vocal and a couple of instruments so with eyes closed I'd have been hard pressed to know if I was listening to a 1.5K shoe box or a couple of 50K giants to be honest, I'm always amazed at how big some small speakers can sound if the music has limited bass.

Hi Big

An excellent post! I get concerned when folks come away from a trade show as if it was a listening experience of meaning and judgement. I think they're a good thing but for critical evaluation? Not so much.

I'm also concerned with some dealers of late. Posting with one yesterday I asked where their dedicated listening rooms were and they didn't know what I was talking about. A room full of speakers and components is not a dedicated listening room. In playback a dedicated listening room means that room is "dedicated" to that particular system and setup. It was like I was insulting them when I explained they didn't have any dedicated rooms for listening.

Sometimes I wonder if this HEA thing will make it past the next few years. Sure makes one appreciate having a real system in a real setup though, regardless of the spins the industry has created.

Michael Green

Michael your attitude is counter to most of the industry and what most real audiophiles can actually do.

Most people don’t have the luxury of having a room totally devoted to audio in a way that you would espouse.

Most people’s listening room is their Living Room, or spare bedroom, sometimes with a few modifications in terms of room tuning, lucky are the few audiophiles with rooms devoted strictly to their music systems.

We are not disagreeing with you that it is nice to be able to pull off such a room.

We have heard purpose built rooms which were mediocre at best some were over damped, vs some real rooms that sounded excellent. There is a lot you can do with a some carefully placed furniture, rugs, bookcases, and a few room tuning accessories, yours included.

The point of a show is to get a gauge of what products may sound like in a way that product X will intrigue you to move to take the  next logical step of wanting to check that product out in a controlled environment, or not, and in that way regional or national shows are a valuable tool. The reality today is that there are large parts of the country where there are no  audio dealers or the dealers selection is very sparse or the dealer sells good speakers but doesn't have complimentary electronics.

We are not saying that the room isn’t important it is however, many audiophiles face room constraints that their rooms are too big, too live, too small, and they don’t have the luxury of being able to employ tons of tube traps, or acoustic panels because their wives or girlfriends would object to their Living Rooms looking like recording studios.

So yes you can have a mutually exclusive dedicated music room where you can hide away from the world and listen or you can choose to tweak up a Family Room or Living Room and still get excellent sound in the light of day without excluding others from listening with you.

One of the reasons for the explosion of Sonos is that music everywhere brings the joy of music to a much wider audience.

We are not saying that because we endorse Sonos but higher quality streaming products encourage others to join in on the fun hence we recommend Naim who makes excellent streaming loudspeakers and amplifiers.

Another trend is electronic room correction which we feel will still not obviate the need for room tuning but goes a long way into making shitty rooms sound better without having to employ panels everywhere.

The demo at AXPONA with the Anthem STR integrated and a pair of the Persona 3F was done in an untreated room and the sound quality of this little system was tremendous because of the advantages of room tuning done in the digital domain.

The demo with Legacy at the New York audio show also demonstrated that power of electronic room correction. The system of the Legacy Aeris combined with a $10k Raven integrated amplifier and a $5k Wavelet room correction processor/dac was roughly a $35k-40k package.

This system was pure magic and they had 0 acoustical treatments in a regular sized Hotel Room and the sound was thrilling, a huge soundstage, all frequencies were balanced, the system sounded better than many $100k setups we have heard.

So Michael you should welcome any and all audiophiles into this hobby with the understanding of what works for some doesn’t work for all us included.


Dave and Troy

Audio Doctor NJ


Audiotroy,

It can also be noted that while it is absolutely true room acoustics are very important in getting the best out of any speaker set up, it’s also been shown via the research from the NRC, Floyd Toole etc that room influences are most important in the bass region. Otherwise, it’s been shown that we are quite good at "hearing through" the acoustic of a room to the character of a speaker. After all, that’s what our hearing system evolved to do, account for varying acoustic environments when trying to recognize sounds. That’s why you still recognize a familiar voice in any number of wildly varying acoustic situations.

I’ve found this to be the case, and especially so if you know what you are doing when auditioning a speaker in unfamiliar environments. Personally I evaluate a speaker from all sorts of angles and seating distances, from nearfield, to far field, to in between, off axis, under axis, you name it. By the time I’m finished I have a very good lock on the general "voice" of that speaker. I can not remember any case where I have actually been surprised by the sound of a speaker I’ve auditioned when I’ve encountered it in another room, or when I have brought it home to my own listening room. The essential characteristics were discernible in a careful evaluation.

Along those lines, and following Toole et all’s work, if a listener can get himself in to a reasonable position, not too far from a pair of speakers at a show, he should be getting enough direct sound to "hear through" the room effects enough to get *some relevant* degree of the speaker’s character.

Of course, truly awful rooms and incompetent speaker placement can make this harder.




Prof not disagreeing with you. The advances in electronic room correction are huge. 

At Axpona the Paradigm 3F on the Anthem STR showed this beautifully.

The room had 0 acoustical treatments and with the Anthem Room correction the little 3F had ridiculous bass extension and definition in lower frequencies, even the addition of a $6,500.00 sub did little to improve the sound. 

When we did the New York Audio show in 2016 with the Persona 9H in a Hotel room that was of similar size we got a tidal wave of clean tight bass which would have been impossible without electronic room correction.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ