Audio Desk cleaner.....still available?


I've been looking into this as my VPI 16.5 (from 35 years ago) has failed and I got taken on a "new open box" SOTA cleaner that was a trash heap no longer made (the site I used still says they are available on order....I called SOTA and they are not and you would not want one anyway).  The Audio Desk and the Degritter are the likeliest candidates.  The Audio Desk is or is not any longer in production/? Upscale Audio seems to have them, at least online. I was looking at a used one, likely the old model, but there are failure reports. I don't know about the new one, or whether it is even buyable. I'd prefer used if functional, but welcome opinions. The Degritter is the other option and it seems Galen Carol has them here in Texas. Info on that would be good too.  I'm starting to think record cleaning companies are the audio equivalent of roofing companies. Advice welcome!!

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I’ve had both the AD and the KL (more about that in a minute), but started in the early ’80s with the first generation VPI- a Model 16 that had been converted to a 16.5. When I left NY at the very beginning of 2017, the VPI was still running fine and I gave it to a friend.

The AD was very innovative but had teething problems- Robert Stein, the US importer worked pretty hard to help his customers- some of the issues weren’t complicated but the machine was not designed to be taken apart and fixed by users. Later, a "pro" model came out (at least that’s what I think it was called) which supposedly addressed some of the field experience with the original machine. (I say "supposedly" not b/c I think anyone is lying but I didn’t own that model so didn’t live with it),

The KL went through a number of iterations- the original machines, some running changes- there was a switch on the front panel that was eliminated, a better cooling system was introduced and a model with an external water tank was later produced. It was at that point that KL folded its tent but Chad made a deal to sell a new and improved external tank version of the KL. It has various accessories, including a tap to tie into your home or building water system, and unlike the usual routine of using distilled, R/I or better, likes to see some minerality in the water. I believe this has been addressed in reviews.

Hopefully, without jinxing myself, I’ve been running my KL -a mid era model with the cooling system, but no external tank--for some years. I can’t say I’ve cleaned millions of records but I’ve cleaned quite a few of my own and as a favor, for friends. It’s a well built machine. The version Chad now sells is probably just as well built, perhaps with a better filtration system, but it is expensive.

The DeGritter has a lot of feedback from users on application, cycles, fluids, soft or firmware upgrades via the Internet on the SH Forum where I think the most extensive discussion of the machine by actual owners, not reviewers, exists.

I did not view the US method as a substitute for more traditional manual clean and vacuum, but as a complementary method that produced better results (the word "synergy" is over-used in audio).

There is also the DIY market, which is not necessarily for cheapskates- e.g. the ultrasonic baths alone can cost what a complete made for LP cleaning machine costs, without spinner or drying facilities, filtering, etc. There’s a fair amount of published literature on the subject. One product fave in that area is the Elma brand, but you’ve got to be prepared to spend on the necessary accessories to spin the record and dry it, leaving aside filtering and cooling.

I’ve spent a fair amount of time researching the subject and, like an old car mechanic that still drives a ’60s Cadillac, use a Monks Omni and the KL (mid-era, not the outside tank version offered by KL or now by Chad).

My conclusion--much is in method, not machinery. US offers convenience and I think it does add a certain additional refinement to the sound of an otherwise clean record. I do not use any chemistry in the KL; some US machines rely on chemistry to lower surface tension of the water to make the implosions more impactful. There’s a fair amount written (won’t get into accuracy) about "power" "frequency" and the like. You need to read up if you are spending 4k on an RCM. Reliability is also key, One of the things I like about the now antiquarian Monks is that is it classic British engineering- (no, it doesn’t leak oil and the lights don’t go out).

I would not flatly recommend one machine over another without knowing the user’s volume, expectations and the condition of the records being cleaned.

Here’s my cleaning station from a few years ago, sans the record flattener and a couple shelves of chemicals:

Hello

We've been the Canadian importers for Audiodesk for over a dozen years. And we also sell the Degritter in Canada. The Audiodesk Systeme I really like due to the spinning cotton barrels and the Ultrasonic action. They are good units and have become more reliable and easier to repair in the field. We carry the degritter as it is very popular and does a fine job. We have the new MK2 in stock as well as the latest Audiodesk. Thanks

Kl audio seems the best on the market right now

as far as reliability and an all-in - one machine

If you want reliability and don’t mind a 15 minute air dry 

I would recommend the Elmasonic P90 H

It’s an ultrasonic that produces 30 and 90 hz cavitation

Mine has been bullet proof for 4 years now and the results are 

near perfect.  With this one you must locate at rotisserie 

as this is just a high quality machine

Last I looked it was in the $1500 range but no moving parts to fail 

unlike the all in one machines. 
I got pointed to this machine from the beginning by an online 

record cleaning service and never needed to look elsewhere

Good luck Willy-T

AudioDesk works really well, but mine died after cleaning approx. 500 records and I too was offered a slight discount on a new one OR sending it back to Germany at great expense with an unknown outcome. But it looks like a garage experiment - the engineering and design is awful.

I now have a HumminGuru which is good enough as I rarely buy used records. 

 

For a coupla hundred bucks you can buy a Vevor 6L USC machine with a simple LP lowering arm on Amazon. It's a good way to try out ultra-sonic cleaning on the cheap. The US frequency is 40kHz, and features no water filtering or drying. For a coupla hundred bucks more you can get the original Humminguru, which does include filtering and drying.