Are subs worth the price for music?


My current speakers are Vandersteen 3A's. I consider them to have a good, solid low end. Specs say 26hz, -3db, if I remember. That's lower than most any music. I'm considering adding a vandy sub, possibly two to the system. My question is, for strictly music, are subs even worth while...$$$......if so, why? What could I expect that's different and/or better than what I'm already hearing..............No experience with subs and music, so forgive the lame question for those of you who already use them.
shadowcat2016

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Evening gentlemen.....or ladies, if that be the case :)

My musical tastes run from a to z, classic rock, oldies, blues, folk, classical, new age, world music, country ...depends on the mood of the moment.

Speaker cables are by Bryston. 9 or 10 ga., don't remember now, but beefy.    Speakers are horizontally bi amped. Bryston 4BST feeding the lows, Bryston B-100 feeding the mids and highs.........Bryston amps are known for being good bass amps, so I don't think that's an issue.

Enginedr

I've been reading about the advantages of multiple subs lately. Not sure I have the room space to accommodate that setup, but it sounds like the way to go if you do.

Again, not saying my bass is weak, boomy, etc.........not the case. It's deep, solid and to my ears clean.............Mostly just wondering how a sub or subs would improve/change what I'm hearing now since I've never experienced it in my system.
Thanks Eric...........My room/bass is already pretty good and much better since I added panels, but they're not bass traps, per se. Three of the 4 corners in that room have open door ways, the forth corner is directly adjacent to a window, so the typical corner traps can't be done. I have 3 inch deep traps straddling the wall/ceiling junctions around the room and that did help a lot...................seems I read somewhere that an open corner/doorway IS a bass trap, probably more of a drain than a trap, so maybe I already have them :)................being an audiophile is a PITA......we're never really satisfied, always looking for MORE.............Maybe I should just stop and enjoy the music :)
Thanks for the inputs folks................I remember some years ago with a dealer demoing a small pair of B&W speakers and an attached sub. I listened for a bit and then had him turn off the sub. There was a difference, but not earth shaking and I doubt the monitors could get much below 50-60 hz without the sub running. I guess on most music what I'm getting from the 3A's is about as good as it NEEDS to be 90% of the time.

Don't really need to hear the semi rolling by the studio outside :)

I'll play with my setup and treatments a bit and see if there's more to be gained in that respect...........Cheap and easy way out...............Maybe I'll keep an eye on Ebay for some Vandy subs..........Christmas is coming :)

Happy listening!!
Interesting arguments for subs folks. I'm going to put at least one, possibly two on my short list. I'm guessing that the Vandy subs might work the best with my 3A's, but as has been pointed out, there are others that seem to work very well also.

Saw a pair of 2wq's on ebay not long ago for a decent price. I'll take another look. Used might be a good way to go, less expensive and if I'm not happy with them I could probably resell and get most of my money back.

Don't know any other a-philes personally except a buddy down south, so I don't get much opportunity to hear other systems............Nearest high end shops are about 80-100 miles away, Baltimore and DC, which makes them inconvenient unless I want to commit a day to "shopping". Haven't done that for a while, might be a fun way to spend a day..........and $$$.

My listening room is 14x23x7'8"..........not huge, but big enough for decent audio. In your experiences is that "enough" room for a sub, subs?.........I also don't have usable corners for placement. Three of the four corners have open doorways. The fourth is occupied by a 500 pound aquarium...............not the easiest thing to move.............All the above might make proper setup for subs problematic, maybe impossible, I don't know.

Your experiences are extremely helpful and appreciated, thanks.
Mr. Schroeder

Uh, yeah, my speakers, my whole kit is well under a hundred K, maybe a third of that...........I'm a champagne taste, beer budget guy...............My friends would call my system extravagantly expensive, crazy even, but they're not audiophiles, so they have different priorities :) In audiophile land, it's a very nice system, but hardly stratospheric.........but I get your point and I am looking into the addition of a sub or subs to compliment what I have.......just not sure if I can make a sub work, given my room layout.............I can do anything I need to with the room, but the construction is what it is, can't close up doorways, etc.. :)
Thanks tangramca.................wow, 6'5"................I thought MINE were low!!........Hope you're not a basketball player :)..............I think I'll give Vandersteen a call next week, describe my room layout and ask them their opinion. Might as well talk to the guys that built my speakers :0.......If they think it's a go, I'll give it a shot........I'll buy used, if it doesn't work out, resell and take a small loss just for the experience.......... Agreed, most of the responses are for subs, rather than against.

Audio is my sole form of electronic entertainment now, gave up TV/movies a while back. Winter is coming, long cold days and nights. Might as well pump the system up :)

You need to jack that house up a couple feet brother, give that system room to breath!! LOL