@ Mbovaird, Thats cool, I am from Florida my self!, north west Florida, It is my exsperience with damping factors to sound alot worse than eanything I ever owned!, I bought a Rotel solid state amp back in the mid nintys, the dampning factor was thru the roof!, the amp sounded good, when I bought my first Krell amp, LOL!, that shitt was over!, there are many ways to do dampning, Isolation of your componets is way better than a specification that means, really nothing!, you should check out some still points ultra 5 cones that can be used for componets or speakers, they will do the trick!, you may not take my word on this mike, go and audition some, like you did the amps, you have to admit, I was correct about the Dan D Agistino amps, you may find this to be true with the still points ultra 5 cones, I awaite to hear from you, most enjoyable to talk with you, cheers. |
The D'Agostino amp is one of my favorites - indeed! You have to be careful with isolation. Too much isolation is not good IMO. Isolation causes equipment to store up energy and this energy needs to be released. We are all talking about isolation, but no one is asking "is this really a good thing?" I think we may learn in the near future, that too much isolation is not ideal.
I am narrowing my amp selection down to Audionet, Burmester and Soulution. D'Agostino is still in the running - but I need to hear it on D3's. |
@ Mbovaird, yes you are absolutly correct, to much isolation can turn out like to much room treatment!, its much easier to screw a listening rooms sound up from over treatment than it is with isolation, I really do not isolate, I tune with the cones by moving them around under componets to get the best pleaseing sound possible, and use objects on top of componets to help if needed,, I would spend days listening to the Agistino amp on your speakers before I would make a rash decision, what is the specks on your new speakers that are being built, if you do not mind me asking, and how many hours of burn in time will they take to achieve absolute best sound?, cheers. |
@audiolabyrinth - the D3 specs are 89db, 6ohms, with a impedance ohm drop into the 3 range.
I am flying to Boston next week for a demonstration of the Audionet amp/preamp on the D3's. In addition, my friend may bring his Soulution 501's so we can compare head-to-head vs the Audionet. I'm very much looking forward to that.
The new Audionet DNP preamp is very interesting. I would like your thoughts on it. If you search on youtube, you will actually find Audionet demonstrating their amps with the Raidho C3.1 speakers (same specs as my D3). Here is a review on the new preamp: http://www.i-fidelity.net/en/test-reports/high-end/audionet-dnp/audionet-dnp.html
You know I absolutely love the D'Agostino amps, and my friend who owns the D'Agostino amps/preamp just bought a pair of D3's! So, I will get to hear that combo too.
I'm also interested in the Viola Acoustics amps. The monos were favorably reviewed in the latest Tone Magazine (you can download this for free) at www.tonepublications.com or just the review at: http://www.violalabs.com/sites/default/files/viola_review_bravo.pdf |
Wow, must be nice to play around with all of that expensive equipment! |
You know I absolutely love the D'Agostino amps, and my friend who owns the D'Agostino amps/preamp just bought a pair of D3's! So, I will get to hear that combo too. Here is what a friend of mine recently told me - "I have the Dagostino amp and preamp but in a week or two will be trading them in. The gear sounds great but the preamp is driving me crazy. No zero point on the tone control. Flashing LEDs on mute that's annoying. No dimming on the front lights and general quirkiness." He always preferred his Dart amps anyway. I'm also interested in the Viola Acoustics amps. The monos were favorably reviewed in the latest Tone Magazine If you knew what I know about that publication, you wouldn't take any of their reviews seriously. There is an old saying "the blind cannot lead the blind"... |
Your friend, is my friend....and he swaps gear as much as I do. He loves the amp, but not the preamp. I've never said I wanted the preamp, but the amps are exceptional. Tell Joe I said hello.
As for blind, I'm far from blind. I am doing my own listening, making a list, and checking it twice. :)
I would like to hear the Viola amps and draw my own conclusions - as I do with the Burmester, Accuphase and several others on my list. |
It was easier to sell the amp/preamp as a pair. Besides, the Dagostino preamp does sound OUTSTANDING. Sure it's quirky and some will not mind but I go through too much gear not to move on. Anyway, I want the Dagostino monos. I still want Accuphase A-200's and some other gear. Life is too short not to experiment. |
Mike, I think you may have missed my point about overall synergy. No point to have a great amp, then mix and match preamps. I don't think that's a good idea. You know my views on this :)
Blind comment...you need to read between the lines here.
Gear swapping like changing socks is not my thing. I'm building a simple, but awesome high end a/v system to get off the merry go round and focus instead on enjoying my music and dvd's. I guess whatever floats your boat. |
08-31-13: Melbguy1 writes: If you knew what I know about that publication, you wouldn't take any of their reviews seriously. Can you explain more? Regards, |
Can you explain more?
Regards,
Metralla (System | Answers | This Thread) Not without having a team of lawyers filing a defamation suit. |
@ Mbovaird, Hi, well you gave me some specs on your new speakers, I really wanted to know the khz and Hz frequency specs?,, wow!, there you go for sure, you can hear your speakers on the agistino amps, man, I really hope you get them!, I would be a puppy following you around to listen to your audio adventures!, someone like you can be a great asset to us all in this hobby, surely for me!, I just buy your hand me downs, LOL!,, To tell you the truth here, after my exsperience with recent foreign audio, I am more parcel to the american audio, Melbguy1 knows what I am talking about here, Ayon Equipment!, this is some of the reasons I talk about the Dan D Agistino Equipment!,I will look into the Audionet DNP pre-amp, I will post my thoughts back here, it will be just my opinion,,Mike, I really look forward to all your findings with the amps!, This is what I mean that you are an asset to us all, This is a compliment to you in the highest regards!I am well respected for what I have for audio, LOL!, not on the same level as you, I have very good, while you have the very best!, However, It does come down to how well you build a system and the system synergy!, I believe you will be fine thou, interesting question I have for you, what cables do you plan to use?, cheers. |
@ Dave_72, Hi my friend, how have you been doing?, stick around, this seems to be a great thread for learning, BTW, I love doing!, Happy listening. |
@ Melbguy1, Hi, I wished I had money to do what Mbovaid is doing!, unfortunally, I am not at the financial level he is enjoying! really, I agree with you, the merry go round is tiresome and to exspensive, kinda makes this hobby no longer enjoyable!, thats cause Its hard for me with the money, that takes a while for me to get! However, It is enjoyable to see someone living audio that I can only dream of!, cheers. |
@Audiolabyrinth - the frequency response of the D3 is: 30 Hz - 50 KHz
Thank you for your kind words. I am really looking forward to my trip to Boston next Thursday/Friday where I will hear my speakers on Audionet and Soulution amps. Then I will hear a variety of Magico Q and S series speakers with Soulution, Constellation and even some of the new SimAudio amps. I also hope to hear the Rockport speakers (again). My previous demo of them here in Florida was less than ideal.
In case you're wondering why I would audition speakers....it's because I have two systems. I just sold my "outstanding for the money" Revel Studio 2's in my second system. So, they will likely be replaced with something like Magico S1, S5, Q1 or even Raidho D2's! :) We shall see. It needs to be a speaker that can perform well relatively close to the back wall. The Magico S5/Vitus combination was still one of my favorites. I could possible do the S5 and Vitus integrated in my second system. We shall see.
I may end up moving the D3's to my second system and buying the Wilson Alexia/D'Agostino monos - which is still the best system synergy I've heard to date.
I'll no doubt further confuse things by going to RMAF this year and hearing Vivid Giya G2's and an assortment of other things.
So much gear....so little time (and money!) :)
Mike |
08-31-13: Melbguy1 writes: Not without having a team of lawyers filing a defamation suit. Smile. ;-) Regards, |
@ Mbovaird,,, If you are looking at the wilson speakers to mate with the Agistino amps to audition, why not make sure you take the ole word of a fellow audiophile and listen to some well broken-in JBL DD Everest 67000 speakers with the Dan D Agistino amps?, I do not believe you will be disapointed in the least bit!, as a matter of fact, In my opinion, There is no better synergy, but what do I know, right?, now this opinion is based on useing the best of what Taralabs makes for cables, I know the JBL speakers can be used in very large rooms, here is the kicker!, The JBL DD Everest Speakers were made in the u.s.a. for the Asian markets, like the Japanese market where they have small rooms, the speakers were designed to work in these enviraments, the asian markets could afford to buy these speakers, this speaker system is a sleeper!, there, in asia, the best speaker in their opinion money can buy!, Its worthy of your time, if they are properly set-up!, netherless,I look forward to what you say here, that is for sure!, Happy Listening. |
To be honest, I have no experience with any of the speakers Mike mentioned. Nor with the JBL Everest which Keith suggests... but they would be on top of my list to audition. Good luck with your trip, Mike!!
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Thanks guys! This is certainly fun. It's hard to tell yourself to slow down and audition. This stuff is never in one place. I've had to travel to Dallas, Toronto, Miami and now Boston. Denver next month. Phew! I may not have any money left for gear after all these trips! :)
P.S. if you guys get a chance, come on over and join my audio forum (it's free) - www.audioshark.org Lots of good discussions. |
Mike, Congrats on a very nice site!!! I'll be visiting often. |
Hey, how many Tara Labs threads has Keith started so far??? HA |
Hi Joeinid, I have heard many good things about you and your equipment, I am Keith, aka, Audiolabyrinth,, I just read your post, mike has spoke fondly of you, well, It appears you must of had the Dan D Agistino stereo amp?, if so, how much different did the stereo amp sound than the mono amps?, cheers. |
@ Isochronism, Hi, Believe it or not, I never have, all the Taralabs threads here on the gon, somebody else started, I do not believe I have started a Taralabs thread eany where, mmmm, thats strange, since I am a avid advocate!, cheers. |
@ Mbovaird, Hi, I will check out the audio site, thankyou for the invite. |
Audiolabyrinth
Hi Joeinid, I have heard many good things about you and your equipment, I am Keith, aka, Audiolabyrinth,, I just read your post, mike has spoke fondly of you, well, It appears you must of had the Dan D Agistino stereo amp?, if so, how much different did the stereo amp sound than the mono amps?, cheers. Thank you Keith. I appreciate the kind words. I had the stereo amp and have not compared the mono Dagostino amps to the stereo version. It becomes more of a want than a need. I love the Dagostino amp on the right speakers. Not everything works. The preamp was a little quirky but sounded superb in hindsight. |
08-31-13: Joeinid
It was easier to sell the amp/preamp as a pair. Besides, the Dagostino preamp does sound OUTSTANDING. Sure it's quirky and some will not mind but I go through too much gear not to move on. Anyway, I want the Dagostino monos. I still want Accuphase A-200's and some other gear. Life is too short not to experiment. You want every amp Joe, hahaha! :) |
@ Joeinid, hi, I am not sure if the Dan d agistino mono amps sound alot better?, Dan simply split the power on a mono amp to give a customer a stereo amp!, we all know, on the most part, A mono amp useally sounds better than stereo, I was currious to know if you heard the difference, and what was the difference with the sound?, I would be happy if you was to report back to me some impresseions if you were able to audition the mono amps, since you lived with the stereo amp, you could give an excellent valid answer here., cheers. |
My best solid state amp(s) is jeff roland's model 6 monoblocks which I still own and drive a pair of usher rw729 monitors with outstanding control and proper timbre; one could not ask for more.
I used these on dunlavy scIII's with fantastic results and could not have asked for anything better;I have not heard a better solid state amp in a while but I am sure by now with current technology there maybe other contenders. |
@ Rleff, Hi, yes, your Rolands are indeed good amps, congrats!, usa made!, Rolands and krell and passlabs have been around a long time, great american audio! |
Audiolaborious strikes again from continents far far away...............
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Judy, constructive and or friendly discourse will get you further. I doubt anyone appreciates your ongoing lack of manners and disrespect here. |
@ Isochronism, Thanks, do you know Judyazblues?, I do not!, never talked to this person about anything audio!, Isochronism go look on the digital, K-03 thread, this judy is there making static for me there to, LOL!, I must have something wrote on me saying, lets mess with this guy and see how much crap he can take, Ha, Ha,LOL!, oh well, I suppose they are having their fun!, I can do better, like ignore them!, However, its a shame that post like that ruin a thread, Thats it, we can call people like that, thread killers, Ha, Ha, LOL! |
@Isochronism, I would tend to have more respect for someone who is evidently more interested in music than someone who has an incessant need to make themselves feel better about their audio equipment. |
Hi Melbguy, I'm not sure why you directed that toward me. I put my system together less than a year ago after a few years of research. My acquisition and complete assemblage took about six months. I could not imagine ever wanting to change any of my components. I do understand your personal position regarding music, as it does well pertain to me. I can now only focus on exploring more Jazz, my strongest musical impression as a boy. I am a male and so i can also fully understand one's fascination with gear, as I very much enjoy reading of others equipment swapping exploits and experiences. Their thing is providing me with entertainment and knowledge. Share the love :) |
Iso, I think you missed my point. I was referring to your previous comment in defence of Judyazblues. It was a value judgment on the merits of your comment, not your interest in music. |
@ Melbguy1, Hi, why would you defend such a character like Judyazblues?, no one knows this person, I have never had a conversation with judyazblues before!, I believe Judyazblues is, what I call, A thread killer!, some people like to frustrate members cause they are bored and have nothing better to do!, I am not talking about you, you have done nothing, as a matter of fact, I have ennjoyed reading some of your post!, cheers to you Melbguy1. |
@ Isochronism, Hi, I missed the point to, audiophiles every where like to make them selfs feel better about their equipment, we are talking about lots of money here!, society believes we are fools for the money we spend on audio!, I know Melbguy1 has alot to be proud of!, He has a wonderful system!, He talks about it, like we all talk about what we have and what we like to have, nothing wrong with doing so, It is my believe, thats what audiogon posting boards are about!, cheers my dear friend! |
A member of this forum doesn't need to actually converse with you to understand your character. They can do that by simply reading yours posts in the background. Judyazblues called it the way he sees it, and from my point of view that is fair enough. I think you should take it on the chin. I don't think you really want this thread to become an airing of your past history on this forum. My advice is put it behind and you move on. |
I do not have a past bad past history with no one but you Melbguy1, thats it, I have got Very high regards of my post from a huge amout of members!, as a matter of fact!, they talk to me on a regular basis on the telephone!, I get tons of E-mails, and have made a large number of very close friends with systems better and not better than my own, The Gentleman you talked to on this thread is highly respected!, Isochronism is one of my friends with a unique very exspensive system I converse with by phone and E-mails!, He is my special friend!, and friends like him are hard to come by!, I will take your advice and put negativity behind me!, and move on, thanks melbguy1. |
Yes, you're a very charming when you're not hacking into people's computers, posting private information about them you harvested to attack them, undermining the sale of thier items, posting bogus negative comments in thier reviews, intimidating members who come to thier defense and puffing up your ego as if you're Nelson Pass, when in fact you're clueless. More than happy to post transcripts of your personal attacks on me. Just let me know how far you want to take it.. |
Narcissistic Psychopathic disorder is never self realized by those who suffer from it. Very sad. I am not making a joke. |
Can I get in on this? I'm a bad guy too. Yea, that's right. I'm really really bad. I'm so bad that compared to me, bad is good! Unless someone kicks the hell out of me, I know I'm gettin kicked outa there! Five point stars point to heaven when I come around. Oh yea. I'm so bad I'm in solitary confinement even when I'm not! That's right. I'm so bad I eat raw, whole onions instead of apples! I eat garlic cloves instead of peanuts! Jalapenos cool me down!! You better believe it. Police sirens quiet down when they pass by me. You don't want to get on my good side. |
This thread was about audio amplification, and has turned into amplifying personality disorders. Not funny |
Csontos, Sort of a modern mix of Henny Youngman and Rodney Dangerfield. I do appreciate your humor, not bad :) |
@Csontos, I don't think it's helpful to stick your nose in and make a mockery of comments made when you know nothing of the past history of that member. You haven't been the victim of vicious personal attacks and breaches of your privacy by this member, so your comment is not well received. |
09-07-13: Isochronism
Narcissistic Psychopathic disorder is never self realized by those who suffer from it. Very sad. I am not making a joke. Sadly true |
Wasn't one of the operatives in the op, 'control'? |
09-08-13: Csontos
Wasn't one of the operatives in the op, 'control'? Are you like a failed comedian who has nothing to do? |
Sorry. Just an attempt to lighten things up.
cheers |
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