Way higher. Honestly, if you get Moabs, once you hear them you will be shaking your head wondering why people would so seriously undersell and understate just how awesome they are? When seriously knowledgeable and experienced reviewers and listeners say you need to spend $20k to do better, people explode in rage at fanboy hyperbole. But then when you get them you go around and wonder why they stopped at only $20k. In truth I do not even know what you would have to spend to do better. There is even one who sold his Encores for Moabs, because he felt the Moabs have everything his Encore has, but with even more lifelike dynamics. $5k will get you Moabs with the upgrades. Totally the way to go.