All-in-One units for retiring audiophile & music lovers in 2025, say what?


A good audio buddy friend closing in on his later parts of the golden years contacted me over the holidays. He started  talking rather excitedly about these new all-in-one units. [Please disregard if this is nothing new for you and/or not of any real interest]. This story and ask below might not resonate with some. Hopefully others who can relate might reply, understanding a lot of what this is really about. A winding down audiophile friend, looking for simplicity of listening to music is what I can share up front. 

I found my audiophile friend's [all of the sudden] inquiry interesting, me asking what he's looking at buying -  say what?, and starting to ask him "does it sound good, look good, is it light weight or heavy, could you see it replacing everything as your new center piece in your big room, and all the other stuff gone - really?", "Say more". He started to share more. Please read on if any of this is resonating, Thanks.  

We start talking and reminiscing about our early Go-To receivers from the mid 1970s. The big all-in-one boxes. Wider cases, big transformers, powerful, weighty, great FM tuners, tone controls, Big Stereo Sound.  How it was back then - simple to listen to FM, big roller dial, plug in your turntable, tape decks, and enjoy the music for days. No other worries, let it play. Remember doing that?  I bet many members here on Audiogon lived all of that too, and none of us will ever forget it. I won't. 

I also bring this up because It dawned on me, I started asking myself wow - is this really occurring all over again in some new and exciting way. Like a giddy kid  I start researching with him seeing more - woah, what? I did realize some of this [sort of an era renewal] was already occurring past few years, still not quite aware myself of what's out there, or coming back, maybe puzzled a bit and curious.

Seeing more videos, familiar reviewers, all touching on this topic past 1-2 yrs. Then you see some of the same new units popping up with all of the reviewers, hmmm. 

So my fairly extreme multi [tube/amp/component] audio buddy [past 60 years] starts showing me these new generation [mostly] solid state units he's been looking at, seemingly ready to hang up ALL of the separate components.  Says he simply wants "one box" now to "do it all", "getting rid of all this other stuff", to just "play music" and "be done". These were his exact words recently. Some may relate here. It kinda hit me. Something to be said for simplicity and just listening to music. Yes. 

Next Generation - 

Looking closely at these new units with my friend - seeing somewhat old-familiar design approaches, renewed, by real engineers. Ahhh, hey, there we see big transformers, a stout amplifier section, nice capacitors, thick copper wiring, big screws on power caps, robust binding posts, nice built in DAC, built-in streamer with tons of access, yep - tone controls, loudness control, low noise, meters, lighting - hmmm what's going on here.  I soon realized I too need to pay attention and look around more closely - to see what he's really looking at and why. It starts to make a lot of sense, it's coming into a focus, just like the '70s era receivers were.

Fast forward a few weeks -  Buddy just ordered his new all-in-one unit, maybe downsizing speakers. He's dropping back down to a new/familiar 70s style midsize speaker as well.  He was initially anxious, a little nervous maybe, wondering - and decided to just go forward and "not look back" he says. Some of you may already be well down this path, or even doing this in 2nd, 3rd systems now. The whole thing is sort of a throwback [in some ways] to me, sort of what it use to be like 50yrs ago. Or feels that way to me.  They say great ideas recycle back to themselves. Maybe so. Observing closer now.  

Wow, wouldn't it be really cool if it could be all done really well, in one-box, once again? No more separates component listening - just hit the power button one time, turn up the volume, and let it play in the big room, listen, walk around, no worries - just let it play for days on end. I bet many  here totally get why I posted this. It's for an audio friend.  

ASK:

Please share your story. It would be so cool for him to read any of your stories. I know he would be interested and appreciate your wind-back consolidation journey too - if you have one like his to share in some way.  Particularly those who've made great strides towards major consolidation and still enjoying the music.  Dear buddy is starting the journey now to separate himself from his vast array of separates, lots of stuff, selling everything else soon, and going back to "one box" for simple music in the big room. I'm supporting him along the way on this particularly journey.    

Thanks a million in advance for your replies - care to share your familiar story at all?

 

 

 

 

 

decooney

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"@winoguy17 Im not sure by what you mean by ’all in one box " .To me, that would be a receiver with a built in cd player and dac, no ? What did he buy ? I am very curious . Thanks."

Thanks for the clarifying question. No CD, Streaming only all-in-one units. CD Player would be separate in this case. Btw this friend has multiple 2A3/45, 300B, KT88, 6L6/6V6 tube amps, tube preamps, Triode, Pentode etc. Several prior SS separates too. Also heavy into stacks of prior DACs, most sitting around to sell. Getting rid of it all.

For All-in-Ones, next generation stuff:

Buddy started out thinking of buying the Naim Atom. Looked interesting at first I gather. He ended up ordering the new Yamaha R-N2000A after various reviews and surprising attention and focus on this particular unit. Some relation with the integrated units we all know. Integrated with receiver add-ons back into the mix. Think old Yamaha, updated, modernized. Disclaimer: Neither of us are affiliated or selling anything, just something different that has been renewed in a way - that’s all. It’s kinda fun looking at the reviews, and what the reviewers are describing as well.

Not totally new per se, yet the quality and parts are going back up, kinda surprising. 17lb el-cheapo receivers going back up to 48lbs, so what’s inside these units now :)

It will be interesting if other known legacy brands will be offering something similar as this unfolds more. Hopefully it offers a bridge for brand new audiophiles too.  

R-N2000A

"Audiophile All In One Streaming Amplifiers" is what I probably should have titled this post. Some reviewers seem to refer to it this way.  

McIntosh-Bose seems to make one too. Guess I came late to the party.

100 W into 8 ohms
160 W into 4 ohms
 
https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/music-streamers/MSA5500
 
 
 

 

 

Does your buddy want to save money since he is retiring? Because there are ways to make things simple without sacrificing to less than optimal sound quality.

Not exactly. Without sharing too much - it’s more like he’s retiring from audio equipment altogether, readying to check out intentionally in a planned way. He can’t lift big components any more and not wanting to leave piles of rare or high $ exotic amps, preamps, tubes, cables, equipment for his spouse to have to deal with later on should something unplanned happen to him. I see it as him being mindful and tidy not leaving a mess for others to deal with, proactively moving his nice gear to others now while he still can - and still having a say about who it goes to. A key part of this I’d say.

And, he wants to enjoy this last all-in-one equipment with his spouse where she can operate it together with him or operate and enjoy herself without his help. i.e respectfully, think later golden years of life as per the original post - if that was not clear before ;)

 

"@silverfoxvtx1800 I have the Naim Uniti Atom in my wife’s art studio, it’s a quality piece and easy to use with her iPad and iPhone…paired with the Opera bookshelf speakers …it plays all day never a problem,"

 

Precisely. @silverfoxvtx1800 nailed it. The Atom is where this all started for him. One of his favorites btw, 40w x 2. Naim Unity Atom

 

 

"@silverfoxvtx1800 Do you know what speakers will pair best with the Yamaha?"

With some trial and testing, and needing to reduce the footprint in his living room, with all the tube amps going up for sale, and no more need for the recently new efficient Klipsch Hersey IVs there now, those will go up for sale and he will be giving smaller speakers on stands a try. Can be moved in/out easier too.

He’s considering giving the Fritz Carbon 7s a try among a few others on the list for a review. Not confirmed yet, but considering this might be a good match-up.

I myself have built a few pairs of speakers with the same drivers Fritz uses in these, and I also believe this could be an interesting pairing for him. Not for sure yet. He’s keeping ideas open and I will be showing him this thread after a few more pages of replies.

Thanks to all for your kind interest and replies so far.

@dokosan Simaudio ACE.  Integrated Amp/DAC/Streamer (bluetooth, apple airplay, Tidal, Qobuz).  Amp is 50 wpc (8 ohms).  Around $1,850 used.  Simaudio also sells a mated set of speakers Voice 22.  Had the ACE and it was quite good.  Have not heard Voice 22.

links and pics

https://simaudio.com/en/product/ace-all-in-one-music-player/

 

 

 

 

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@noodlyarm have both the Krell K300i and the NAD M33 Masters integrated/all-in-one amps. I quite like them both for different reasons.

As per @noodlyarm ’s post a few links and images -

Nad M33 Bluos-streaming-dac-amplifier

Krell K-300i

https://www.fidelity-magazine.com/krell-k-300i/

 

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Great stuff folks keep them coming!  :) 

@freediver AVM makes several world class all in one units,complete with streaming,built in CD player,MM/MC phono stage,Blue tooth,AM/FM,headphone & superb German engineering & construction...

 

Adding a link and pics, wow, pretty darn nice. AVM30, CS30 etc

DAC has ESS 9038 converter, 125w x 2

https://avm.audio/masterpieces/avm-masterpieces-all-in-one-en/#AVM30

Thanks to everyone for your great, kind, and clever replies.

This thread is truly about helping those moving from audiophile separates to ultra-consolidated systems that still sound amazing, easy to manage/move, not taking up a lot of space. Audiophile All-in-One units, powered speakers, all great ideas here.

In no way is this thread meant to take away from anyone enjoying separates. I’ll be  in this camp too down the road. It  will take me ten years to figure out how to consolidate all of my stuff too, LOL.

There is hope for the future though for those consolidating now - reading all of these great replies to this thread. WOW, there is some really neat stuff shared so far. Had no idea some of these great audiophile all-in-ones already exist today.  We can all see this is its whole sector of new devices coming out within the audiophile industry - very cool, Thanks to All here!

 

@rbstehno Decooney- this is why I mentioned to sell everything he has now and get the pair of Kef LS60 speakers that have the amps/dac/preamp all built in and they sound terrific. All you would have in the room is a pair of speakers.

For sure. Powered speakers which allow bluetooth to be streamed wirelessly or even cable connected from an iPad or phone or something, is a worthy/simple approach.  While I've not tried it yet myself, the posts do pop up periodically.  

IIRC I read somewhere a few months back there were some powered-speakers that showed up at one of last years better known audio shows and some people were quite taken by them and the sound - over many other rooms. Hmmm.

To @sbrownnw that SDA300 Signature you've listed kinda proves what has evolved here. There are member-friends here with former Atolls that don't look anything like what you just shared.  Streams Qobuz too like some others don't. Nice.  Adding the pic here from your link above.  

 

 

@pooch2 "...I would suggest an Accuphase Receiver with dac module in the used marketplace.", "The only thing missing would be the streamer."

Nope.  Thanks, A few others keep trying to suggest simple integrated amps too. He's definitely going for the "all-in-one quality streamer amplifier" now. No more component cables, just speakers at most - nothing else.  

One switch to flip on, flip off.  :)  Its a good challenge for an audiophile like him to concur, maybe :), we'll see. This is another one of those guys who's tried more different tubes and dacs than anyone I know personally.  

Some surprising ideas here so far.    Keep them coming! yes

 

"@markmn I crossed it off my list for being too much an all in one"

Now that's a good one, LOL. We all seem to like our added complexities don't we.

Video of your mentioned Cabasse Rialto, spinning speakers with controls on top and back. Another true all-in-one and then some.  

https://www.cabasse.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/RIALTO_Black_360_White-BKG.mp4 

Aurender AP20

All-In-One Digital Source and Integrated Amp /
200 WPC into 8Ω, 350 WPC into 4Ω / Fully Linear PSU /
Analog R2R Volume Control / Reference Grade DAC /
Analog & Digital Inputs & Outputs / Headphone Output /
Master Clock Input / 2x User-Installable Storage Slots

https://aurender.com/home/ap20/

 

 

"@mdalton HiFi News just reviewed the new Rotel RAS5000. Goes for $3000."

 

Worthy of a few pics and for the Rotel fans out there.

https://rotel.com/music-systems#integrated-streaming-amplifiers

POWER OUTPUT
220 Watts / ch (4 Ohms)
140 Watts / ch (8 Ohms)

 

"@tomaswv ...but I think I need more grunt and more grunt. Will look at some of the units identified here."

 

You might be in luck for your Dali Menuet’s about now. Looking inside a few of these new beast all-in-ones units caught my own attention originally for my friend’s research - him trying to make this transition in a mindful and semi-excited way.

Now I’m like "woah" myself - seeing some units with big toroidal transformers, big or multple groupings of power caps, upper line DAC chips inside, nice streaming service accesss, weighty units like the golden era receiver days.

Some nice integrateds with notable dacs/streaming services added, tube front-ends showing up inside now too. Some of those still retaining or adding reasonable quality phono preamp sections inside too. Coming together nicely.

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My all tube system is running this morning, playing some nondescript and beautiful streamed "morning coffee" albums, thinking hard about how nice it sounds right now, just super nice. Then wondering how I myself will struggle to give this up and consolidate. Its going to take a real gem all-in-one unit for me to make the move. This has been a fun journey helping my friend and working with all of you here on this. 

 

 

 

baconboy Have you considered a Hegel h400 or a Michi x3?

Not yet as all-in-one, thanks. Saw a 2022 review in this a while back, a few pics inside,

Michi X3, on Rotel sitehttps://www.rotel.com/product/x3

 

"The Michi X3 Integrated Amplifier delivers uncompromised audio performance conveniently packaged in an elegant industrial design. The X3 delivers 350 Watts of Class AB output power into 4 ohm loads maintaining musical accuracy with exceptional acoustic detail from the Analog, Digital, PC-USB, apt-X Bluetooth and Moving Magnet Phono Stage source inputs."

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Hegel

As for the Hegel, will leave that to the Hegel pros to weigh in. A few folks I know prefer external dacs for this, yet maybe they’ve upgraded it some more, who knows.

New page reads -

"EISA Premium Streaming Amplifier 2024 - 2025"

 

 

Power output: 2 x 250 W into 8 Ω @ 1kHz 1% THD, 100/120/230V AC, Dual Mono
Streaming: Spotify Connect, Roon Ready, Tidal Connect, Google Cast, AirPlay, airable Internet Radio and Podcast, UPnP

20kg 44lbs! Dayum and look inside, like a big powerful receiver amp plus -

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Clean and simple on back

 

@raysmtb1, re: MusicalCocoon

 

Deserves pics for all to see. Kinda like having a vintage JBL Paragon cut in half on either side of you. Speaker-Headphones sort of. Another neat idea, that’s pretty cool. Love seeing new-old-renewed type of designs people thinking inside and outside of the standard box form factor yes

 

 

"@bubinga ...Pretty easy in my case. KEF LS50 Wireless II speakers. For best sound, plan on stands and add a sub..."

a few pics of another worthy solution mentioned three times so far...

https://us.kef.com/products/ls50-wireless-2?srsltid=AfmBOooqeprEbI4lU1N0rp39J2uSvN7UURCp8vRHfPCRAt2DbUSmVU5p

Amplifier Output Power (Per Speaker)

LF: 280W
HF: 100W

Amplifier Class (Per Speaker)

LF: Class D
HF: Class AB

@asvjerry ......curious....like the market is lashing around, trying to find The Niche.....🤷‍♂️

Not like I’m crusin’ to bruise, but a thought about the intended perception issues become kinda....’bent’....*sly grin*

Nah, you missed the disclaimer - this thread is not meant for those still enjoying and justifying their high $ audio separates all over the place. Since you bring it up, the *sly grin* rests with clever folks listening with really good headphones on laugh

 

"@livinon2wheels ...The lure of the simplicity combined with near audiophile or true audiophile quality is pretty compelling. Choosing out of this glut of gear is a daunting process, and so time consuming due to the lack of brick and mortar stores within a reasonable distance from my home..."

So true, thanks for the reply, story, and acknowledging this thread - us helping a friend and others.. You bring up great family memories for me, and the mention of Lafayette, Heathkit and Hafler. My grandfather was involved with a lot of that, parts and more - was Chief Engineer at H&R later became founder of American Electronic Laboratories, AEL , Philadelphia PA. This exposed me to some of it.

Your comment about the lack of "brick and mortar" stores and mention is something I’m tracking in my own metropolitan area. I’m also wondering about this myself, likely a key factor in how the next generation of audio-listeners are evolving, adapting, and what they are actually buying now days, and for the near future.

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Holding on !!!: 

I try to periodically visit my own local 55-year-in-business audio dealer to check in and see what’s happening. Been going there for 45 years. He’s still in business and loving it, and I do not see any all-in-one units for sale there, all unique stuff you cannot buy online easily fwiw. Definitely a group of us still out here hugging our separates and enjoying them as long as we can :). I think it helps to do both, and let go of whatever you need to - when needed, but maybe not immediately LOL.

 

@terenthia Advance Paris Myconnect, Vacuum Tube and Streaming Functionality...

 

There it is - was wondering when it would surface here. And now a few pictures. Seems this unit is being marketed fairly aggressively around the world this past year. https://www.advanceparis.com/en/gammes/myconnect/

 

 

"@ghdprentice The Aurender AP20 looks interesting..."

 

Clip, from within the link you sent. Looks built inside. Dual torroidals. Nice. Interesting too.

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"Now the AP20 story gets interesting. It’s analog all the way from here on out (with one convenient exception). Aurender implemented an analog R2R stepped-attenuator volume control in the AP20. It would’ve been so simple for the company to just use the digital volume control built into the AKM chips, but I’m very happy an R2R analog control was selected because I often prefer the sound of a nice analog volume control."

 

"@mdalton One other thought (a little surprised no one else mentions it) is Arcam"

 

Note: I noticed on the Arcam UK site it shows "coming soon" right now for the SA-45. Appeared at shows last May '24.  Checking just now, some dealers appear to show it listed yet "out of stock". Will be interesting, and some of us here are Arcam fans too, I am, I have some Arcam gear myself, good to know.  Thanks!

Happy Listening to you @tomic601. An inspirational visual of the APOGEE ACOUSTICS CENTAUR MINOR RIBBON SPEAKER HYBRID SYSTEM, and the associated Naim Unity Atom again for reference. Thanks for sharing your super interesting combo. That’s super cool.

@vthokie83 I'd suggest looking at powered all in one speakers.

Dutch & Dutch 8C speakers sound great to start off with, and they have built in Roon streamer, DAC, preamp, amplifiers, and DSP room correction. They accept network connection (streaming) and an XLR that accepts AEA/EBU digital or XLR analog

 

That's a lot packed in two speakers.  

 

 

@vthokie83 ... really impressed me the handful of times I’ve listened to them at shows.

Quite interesting, these Dutch & Dutch truly demonstrate the art of the possible when it comes to all-in-ones, consolidation. and they reportedly "sound great" too.

As for sound, IIRC you are not the first person to mention this, another colleague here on Agon mentioned these to me a year ago and howe they sound. Hmmm.

Subs too !?!:

  • Had no idea they have sub/woofers on the back side until I checked out your reply.

True All-in-One concept:

  • While the price tag might seem steep, it sure makes for a mindful debate around having great sound and 90% less component junk lying around a family room IF someone wanted to use it here instead of a separate dedicated audio room.

Self destruction, Warranty coverage considerations: ???

  • Would be interesting to research more what kind of extended warranty plan can be purchased in case these babies self destruct internally with all the vibration going on to internal electronics. Ive built several powered subs and cheaper internal amps degrade or self destruct, over time. Typical.
  • Worth checking more with Dutch & Dutch what their ultimate guarantee is a where spare parts can be acquired without having to ship these back and forth for repairs [i’d assume these meaty little Dudes are fairly heavy].

 

@caphill ...But since OP was asking for an all-in-one integrated solution I think the Naim Uniti Nova would be the best option if he’s willing to spend that kind of money.

Update -

I’m the OP, and this thread was posted for a friend who is winding down from a collection of SET, PSE, pentode tube amps, tube preamps, fair collection of tubes, speakers in transition, and more. He started out the search with the Naim Unity Atom and soon to be trying out the new Yamaha R-N2000A all-in-one streamer amplifier. Fits the bill for a new room move that’s not optimized for audio. Has minimal room correction, bass/ treble tone controls, loudness control. All he wants and needs for his winding-down front room system. Moving to the main family room, not ideal, best he can do and consolidating. Might be picking up some 3-way Wharfedale speakers next, and stands for fitment. A small tube system for the office and that will be it, Roger That, over and out.

If the new all-in-one system goes "good enough", the collection of 1-3 yr tube amps, tube preamps, all the tubes in tubs, and recently new horn speakers all goes up for sale in a few months on USAM, or Agon, and/or eBay next. He’s trying, needs to, and while not overly thrilled with all of it appreciates the help so far. Thanks!

To @livinon2wheels understood and I'm helping a few friends staying local that is.  To your point, you pretty much have to demo things these days anyhow to know that it's a good fit or not. Agree about crazy drivers on their phones and driver assisted cars with people falling asleep at the wheel - good grief. Good for you for making this a best practice in your own home and you have time to do it which is important too.  I'm about to consolidate some more myself, have a  full 5.2 home theater system, along with my main 2 ch audio system, along with secondary amps and preamps and stuff like that. It will be tough to part with things that I have now and the only way to know is in-home demos for sure. Thanks for the reply.  Take it easy.    

For @kennyc a photo or two.  

 "+1 Cabasse Rialto - heard it twice at audio shows"

 

 

@samureyex The Axxess Forte 1 (a true all-in-one for $5,500) is worth a look.

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Great find! I remember reviews on this one. Worth posting a few pics for sure.

Power:

  • 2 x 100 W in 8 Ohm, UMAC™ amplifier technology

DAC:

  • Axxess Forté features a 1-bit circuit, developed in-house that preserves the “analog signature”.

Some adjacent notes on UMAC amplifier technology, from another integrated they sell, and may be related to this amp too. 

  • ...Pascal class D amplifier technology, which features even faster UMAC switching modulation and generates lesser noise. This circuit now requires lesser filtering and has lower output impedance, which ensures greater control over connected speakers, and consistent performance across the entire musical spectrum.

https://audiogroupdenmark.com/product/axxess-amplifier-forte/