AI and the future of music

You are not a sleepwalker bolong ... 😊

You are completely right...

It is why people think A. I. is a MERE tool...Thats all...

 

A great book about this is "the Master and his emissary" by Iain Mc Gilchrist,... It is the shorter version of his last 1,500 pages book... It is a neuroscientist...

He studied the way the attention work in the brain...

In simplistic term you have one half of us who live in a map not on the terrain..

Living in the map we reduce the terrain to details we wrote in the new maps without being conscious of the whole terrain out of the map... We sleepwalk as robot in their map...

It is a caricature of his main point about the two modalities of the conscious/subconscious/unconscious attention working...One modality is centered on details and their abstraction , the other look at the periphery and on details as part of the whole out of any possible  map...

In sleepwalking mode, even very intelligent people , see the A. I. as a mere tool and see those who see more are against progress...Luddite so to speak... They are unable to get the point we spoke about... The spiritual problem is invisible for them...

See the debate between Josuah Bengio and Yann Le Cun ... 2 very smart A. I. designers one listening his non mechanical intuition and the other not at all...

It would be comical like a Laurel- Hardy movie, but it is a tragedy in the making...

 

To the extent that we all at times act and think mechanically (as Jiddhu Krishnamurti used to say) then we have been living with artificial intelligence for darn near forever already.

«Men jail themselves in a cell which is  perfectly measured and described in their maps, but there is no  borders nor any cell in the real world»-- Anonymus  "anthropologist on mars"

"Men jail themselves in a cell which is  perfectly measured and described in their maps, but there is no  borders nor any cell in the real world."

 

Unfortunately that is a biological necessity of survival.

However, unless you're literally fighting for your survival every hour every day there's no good reason to confine yourself to any cell smaller than your personal requirements for survival insist upon.

Well, it’s not like anyone has a time machine and can go back in time to kill the person who was inventing the Hurdy-Gurdy.

Or the “Jews Harp.” MAN those are annoying…

Reminds me of a story about Keith Jarrett’s air of superiority about not using a “synthesizer” as it was beneath his dignity as a REAL musician.

Harpsichord makers wept.

Fact is, AI’s can, do and will create music insofar as we have a functional anthropocentric definition of the verb “to create” and some bigots will forever exclude anyone or anything’s contribution to music if that entity doesn’t meet certain specific criteria in THEIR minuscule excuses for a mind.

Change is a funny thing. Evolution is a funny thing. Creation too is “funny” whether that’s funny ha-ha or funny OMG! is up to the listener/consumer.

Oh, I know, let’s pass a LAW that ONLY human-created music is MUSIC and can be copyrighted and money earned therefrom.

buggy whip makers wept when Henry Ford’s Model T’s began rolling off assembly lines. It was much too late for protectionism. Should we still have horse/buggies instead of ICE automobiles?

FWIW.

Chatter among yourselves.

You judge people very harshly and very rapidly...

I own a computer and i am not a Amish...

But you completely dont understand what is at stake...

You think that A. I. is like a can opener or a computer...

And you think that music is a set of organized sounds , nevermind the spirit behind...

I will not repeat all my posts here...

If you qualify me as a "bigot" who use prejudice as an "excuse for a mind" ; you are the perfect sleepwalker, and you dont even know what is "progress", and it is not technologically related AT ALL...If you think so then you are like the Spaniards killing Indians and aztecs as sub humans because they were technologically inferior ... Progress is only MORAL...After this murders century with machine progress we learned this...

And what is at stake here with A. I. the scientist who created the neural networks mathematical design , Geoffrey Hinton himself , think the same as those you called "luddites" or "bigots"...In a word , our sleepwalking corporate controlled society is not ready for this "tool" which is not a tool at all...

And no, Beethoven and Scriabin cannot be replaced by machines , guess why in your "vast" progressive mind ? It is because their musical choices were not only inspired by the past set of sounds but they were ethical choices , expressed VALUES, no machine can emulate...Beethoven is not musak ascensor music... Science cannot decide for us about values and freedom..

But believe me, the day A. C. will come , artificial conscuiousness , and it will be sooner than later, way over A. I. , you will begin to understand WHY A. I. is not a mere tool and why applauding for the progress is to be sleeping ...

And you will begin to understand what a "soul" is...

The soul is connected and grounded in a universal infinite information field... A. C. cannot be grounded in an infinite field as all living interconned entities from primitive cell to over humans...

The mathematics behind A. C. is already here... It is way over neural network maths... But it is grounded in a finite number of primes...

Read the Book : Nanobrains by anirban... You see , i am a very informed "luddite"... Perhaps you are a "retarded" transhumanists ?

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This article will explain to you why there must be an "information field" :

 

https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1693250&dswid=7460

And this video will explain to you the relation of this information field with time itself :

Alain Connes the music of shapes on youtube

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z52ZAPrRbqE&t=521s

After that you will begin to undeerstand why we cannot replace life by machine, even by " artificially conscious machines"...

And yes intelligence and consciousness dont coincide at all and A.C. is and will be captive of this material universe with "no soul" or no spiritual connection to the universal informative field... I call it the "source" some call it God... It is the same... Then creating A.C. would be a great spiritual burden... The movie "Blade Runner" is no more impossible science fiction...

 

it is not necessary to thank me...

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"Only men can create hell " -- A children of Faust

 

Well, it’s not like anyone has a time machine and can go back in time to kill the person who was inventing the Hurdy-Gurdy. Or the “Jews Harp.” MAN those are annoying… Reminds me of a story about Keith Jarrett’s air of superiority about not using a “synthesizer” as it was beneath his dignity as a REAL musician. Harpsichord makers wept. Fact is, AI’s can, do and will create music insofar as we have a functional anthropocentric definition of the verb “to create” and some bigots will forever exclude anyone or anything’s contribution to music if that entity doesn’t meet certain specific criteria in THEIR minuscule excuses for a mind. Change is a funny thing. Evolution is a funny thing. Creation too is “funny” whether that’s funny ha-ha or funny OMG! is up to the listener/consumer. Oh, I know, let’s pass a LAW that ONLY human-created music is MUSIC and can be copyrighted and money earned therefrom. buggy whip makers wept when Henry Ford’s Model T’s began rolling off assembly lines. It was much too late for protectionism. Should we still have horse/buggies instead of ICE automobiles? FWIW. Chatter among yourselves.

 

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