"02-24-15: Rodman99999
HEY; We're all Bozos on this bus!"
Easy for you to say. I'm on the blue bus. |
Just to clarify, the underlying debate is that some people claim that they can look at a spec sheet, and determine how a component will sound, without listening to it. Not that specs can't be of good use in making a selection, just that they can be used as the sole purpose for judging sound quality. For me personally, I can't do that. I have to listen or I can't say how it will sound. Others claim they can, so I'm thinking maybe some people have the ability, or they can somehow learn to read a spec sheet in a way that tells the whole story. |
"02-19-15: Tls49
Totally agree with Al on this one, and for those that rely heavily on specs,
here's some for you,"
Is that braille, or is there something wrong with my monitor? |
"Without measurements, it just opens the door wide open for people telling me that CDs sound better when they coat the edges with green paint.
Abrew19 (Threads | Answers | This Thread)"
You have to buy the real stuff. Never paint the edge of your CD's; green, or any other color. You need the expensive, secret formula, audiophile magic marker. Not just a regular marker, but a magic one. |
"02-21-15: Wolf_garcia
I love this stuff: The Tice Clock was an infamous case of utter tweak silliness when Tice marketed a Radio Shack clock that was supposedly treated with some magic Tice mojo. Supposedly when plugged into any part of the electric circuit of a room containing audio gear, everything would sound better. It was complete bullshit, the clocks weren't treated with anything, and the product stands as a classic example of fraudulent hifi snake oil."
A lot of people say that but its really not true. The Tice Clock is a line conditioner. There's other conditioners on the market that work the same way. The big mistake was that they should have never made it into a clock. It devalued the product because when people saw it, they just saw the clock, and not the product that it was designed to be. |
Tice: "The "Tice Clock" was a device intended to be plugged into the household current adjacent to the plug(s) used for audio devices. Physically, it was a Radio Shack clock that has been in some unspecified way "processed" to make electrons "coherent". Many people claimed to experience enormous improvements in terms of clarity, lowered noise floor, beauty of moonlight on water , the smell of roses, and what have you. As the following article explains, anything plugged in as a "parallel filter" in this way can have an effect for standard reasons and indeed, a parallel filter will work as well as an in-line filter in principle. (Soon after my article appeared, "parallel filter" devices using the principle of grounding RF appeared for sale--without credit naturally.) The Tice clock came and went. "Incoherent " electrons turned out to be enough for most people."
Richard Gray: Parallel Power Delivery
Patented parallel iron-core inductor technology is proven (after 1 million installations and counting) to provide instant current ondemand to power efficiently todays High Performance-Current hungry AV components and electronic systems.
Stabilizes AC Power
Enhances AV performance
Improves start up characteristics and Inrush response
Provides additional Balanced AC Surge protection.
There's several examples, besides the above 2, that use a parallel design. Also, remember that when the Tice clock came out, AC conditioning was unheard of. Just like when aftermarket PC's first came out, everyone made fun of them too. No one would believe they made a difference until they heard it for themselves. |
"That statement is true. You can have an opinion on how you believe the component will sound but, if you haven't heard it, you cannot speak to the actual sound."
I think there may have been a little confusion regarding that quote. I believe that some people took it as an arrogant or know it all statement, telling people that you can't have an opinion. That's not the case at all. Its a very specific comment, and in your quote above, you explain it exactly as how I meant it. |
Are you sure it wasn't a fake? It did look exactly like a radio shack clock. |
"A in high-end lunacy, a heap of fraudulent BS demonstrating the incredible capacity of audiophiles to be suckered by ANYTHING, and the distilled essence of hucksterism at its absolute worst. In fairness, I can now only say that I'm "extremely sceptical" of the Clock's claimed benefits."
The Tice Clock is a parallel line conditioner. What if they put it in an enclosure that looked more like a power product? Most audiophiles have some AC treatment in one form or another. Like I said in my last post, I think it was foolish of Tice to make a clock out of it. Something tells me that if they presented the it as a conditioner instead, people would be more open to consider it. |
"02-23-15: Dave_b
Are you serious?"
No. But Bob Reynolds is. Those are his words. |
"02-24-15: Rodman99999
Zd542- GEE, no kidding? That's why I asked what I did! "simply by knowing how accurate his clock is?"......."
It sounded like you referring to the statement in the OP. Also factor in my subconscious, as I'm kicking myself in the a$$ for starting in with the damn clock again. Yes, I know I only have myself to blame for it. So from this point on, I take a vow to never speak of the item in question ever again. |
I should have said practically unheard of. Also, it came out before 1993. Some time in the late 80's, although I don't remember the exact year. |
I think I better change my statement before I start a riot. The Tice Clock was a clock. It did tell time, so I guess we can leave it a that. Tice also made line conditioners, in addition to clocks. Tice's line conditioners were not clocks, and therefore did not tell time. But they did condition the AC in some manner.
I do have one more question because I'm a little confused. I'm looking at my computer, and I noticed it shows what time it is in one of the corners. So the question is, do I have a computer or do I have a clock? If its just a clock, I'll be pissed because its way over priced compared to other clocks. And if it turns out to be a computer, I'm still upset because I now have to go out and buy a new clock. It seems like I just can't win here. |
"02-24-15: Rodman99999
NOW: if the original question had only been, "Can a blind person tell what time it is, simply by knowing how accurate his clock is?".......
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Yes they can. They make special clocks for people with disabilities. |
