AES/EBU cable shootout


As I had promised (please refer to Grimm Mu1 thread and Fee for Audition thread under Digital for more context), I am going to share my experiences using different AES/EBU cables in my system. I am going to gloss over the general question of whether cables, especially digital cables make a difference. I am always careful in choosing my components, and unless something makes a tangible improvement in sound, I will never pay for something. If something makes an improvement, I do evaluate if it’s worth the asking price, and only then do I purchase it. So it’s up to you to decide if something is worth the price that you pay for. Also, please note that, these findings apply to my system in my room and may not translate into the same findings in your system. 

Now let’s go into what I heard in my system. I had the following AES/EBU cables. The Mogami cable, Shunyata Omega cable, Nordost Odin 2 cable and  the Sablon cable. Unfortunately I was unable to obtain the Jorma design cable as I was unable to reach the cable company either through phone or email. I am not aware of any other dealer who carries it near me.

There is a significant difference between the basic Mogami and the rest of the cables. The difference is easy to discern in the bass. There  is simply more texture, dimensionality, and clarity that is missing in bass with the Mogami cable. This is unfortunate as this is the cheapest cable. The rest of the cables are closer to each other. It takes a bit of back-and-forth of listening to discern the differences.

First up was the Shunyata cable. This is an excellent digital cable which is extremely natural sounding. Everything sounds clear with a nice sound stage. The sound stage extends beyond the speakers with a nice depth to it. There is a sense of fullness to the sound, more fleshed out, but in a very natural way. This is the first cable that I had for evaluation (this belongs to my friend). I will be very happy with this cable, if it were my only option. This cable retails for around 4.5 k. 

Next step was the Nordost Odin 2 cable. I understand that there is a significant jump in price as this cable retails for over 12 K. The difference between the Shunyata and the Odin 2 cable is more subtle. The primary difference is in the sound stage. The sound extends well beyond the speakers and front to depth soundstage is increased compared to Shunyata. There is also more detail and air at the top end. There is slightly more dynamics with the Odin 2 cable on back-and-forth listening. Please note, these differences are not in your face but subtle. Whether this is worth the price difference is something only you can decide.

The last cable that I had was the Sablon cable. The other cables measured 1.5 m but the Sablon was 1 m. I could not test if the length of cable makes a difference as I did not have the same cable in different lengths. (Please refer to Grimm Mu1 thread for context.)

The Sablon cable brings a lot of nuance to the entire spectrum of sound. The bass is taut and has a lot of finesse. String instruments reveal a good amount of inner detail, whether it’s plucking or bowing. Percussion sounds realistic. It nicely brings out the textures and extremely accurate with regards to tone and timbre. The mid range is extremely clear and well presented, which is one of the strengths of this cable. The top end is clean and extremely accurate. It has an uncanny ability to make the softest sounds really fleshed out and clear. If are a Pink Floyd fan “Hello Colonel, how are you tonight” never sounded this clear, it’s like you are on shrooms. 

This is how I would compare the Shunyata, Nordsost and Sablon. The system plays a huge role in laying out the differences. The bass is similar in all the three cables, they go deep, feel taut and have a lot of textures. It’s the midrange and highs that sound different. Nordstrom has a very neutral and sweet presentation that is very inviting. It sizzles in the top end and has superb dynamics. The other two cables cannot touch the Nordost in the highs. The Sablon shines in the midrange. It has one of the most accurate midrange sound and sounds really organic. The nordost is close but Sablon wins the midrange. The Shunyata is close to the other cables but does not sound better. So what did I choose? The sizzling dynamic Nordost or the realistic sounding Sablon?

I always believed that the highs are most important for music to sound alive and  imparting the feeling of being there. But Sablon changed my opinion, it’s the midrange that gives the sensation of live music. The Sablon made the music sound more alive than other 2 cables.  The difference with Nordost is subtle but definite. The other important thing especially for me was tone and timbre. I play violin and I value tone and timbre (reason for the choice of my speakers) as the most important attribute.The Sablon again wins this. Of course the price is the icing on the cake. So I have decided to buy the Sablon. Of course, in your system and for your ears, the outcome may not be the same. My recommendation is to try before you buy especially considering the price of the these cables.

svenjosh

@panzrwagn @donavabdear You are amazing guys who showed your profound intelligence in electronics and digital. Now that you have wowed us with your knowledge, maybe it’s time to contribute this same amazingness in other threads too so everyone can be enlightened!

@donavabdear : it sounds like you evaluate your digital cables solely based on the timing differences, i.e. speed of transmission. Sorry if I misunderstood you. Is this all there is on digital cables? All the other stuff about capacitance, impedance, shielding, radio frequency signal mitigation and more is just .... what? bollocks?

 

OP: as for Panzerkampfwagen, if you read something like this (copy / paste of his first illuminary contribution on this thread below), run! No need to read anything else from someone with that logic

Digital cables either work or they don't. Binary, zero or one. If they have ANY impact on performance, they are defective.

@thyname To answer your question yes, bollocks everyone knows you can't have better sound quality than the original (I did recording for 35 years) audiophile cables especially are perhaps hundreds of times more expensive than professionals use in the studio at concerts and location recording. So yes there are elephants running around in the room and audiophiles are worried about mice. I assume that no one is making an elementary mistake like impedance mismatch in digital cables and not using to small of gage, dirty connectors or anything like that. 

There is no denying cables make a difference the difference's start from zero in a digital connection and only go down from there the cables can't make anything sound better. 

Speed of transmission is meaningless with the same type of cable (copper, silver etc.) if you are using some crazy conductor the speed of the signal can change drastically by changing the impedance but that is another subject. generally copper/ silver is a little slower than the speed of light producing nanoseconds of differences where latency in digital circuits are milliseconds 1 millisecond is about a foot at the speed of sound in air.

Also just for fun every recording has phase problems the 3 to 1 rule is the oldest in the book -triple the distance from the first mic to the next mic- even a single stereo mic over the conductors head has different kinds of phase problems like the diaphragm's being perhaps an inch apart or acoustic phase problems like reflections from the floor, walls or the music stand in front of the musician. These are real timing errors that actually make a measurable and audible difference, nanosecond timing errors because of the length of the silver cell in the cable are mice among elephants. Hope that's clear.

@jeffstrick Cables can’t fix anything, although years ago when a singer was to bright we used an old brown Electro Voice cable that didn’t pass high end very well and it fixed the problem, a little EQ with mic cables. Again cables only degrade they start at zero if they are perfect, cables can only make things sound worse. I listened to cables worth 180k at AXPONA a few weeks ago and the speakers were disappointing even in a $1.3M setup.