AES/EBU cable shootout


As I had promised (please refer to Grimm Mu1 thread and Fee for Audition thread under Digital for more context), I am going to share my experiences using different AES/EBU cables in my system. I am going to gloss over the general question of whether cables, especially digital cables make a difference. I am always careful in choosing my components, and unless something makes a tangible improvement in sound, I will never pay for something. If something makes an improvement, I do evaluate if it’s worth the asking price, and only then do I purchase it. So it’s up to you to decide if something is worth the price that you pay for. Also, please note that, these findings apply to my system in my room and may not translate into the same findings in your system. 

Now let’s go into what I heard in my system. I had the following AES/EBU cables. The Mogami cable, Shunyata Omega cable, Nordost Odin 2 cable and  the Sablon cable. Unfortunately I was unable to obtain the Jorma design cable as I was unable to reach the cable company either through phone or email. I am not aware of any other dealer who carries it near me.

There is a significant difference between the basic Mogami and the rest of the cables. The difference is easy to discern in the bass. There  is simply more texture, dimensionality, and clarity that is missing in bass with the Mogami cable. This is unfortunate as this is the cheapest cable. The rest of the cables are closer to each other. It takes a bit of back-and-forth of listening to discern the differences.

First up was the Shunyata cable. This is an excellent digital cable which is extremely natural sounding. Everything sounds clear with a nice sound stage. The sound stage extends beyond the speakers with a nice depth to it. There is a sense of fullness to the sound, more fleshed out, but in a very natural way. This is the first cable that I had for evaluation (this belongs to my friend). I will be very happy with this cable, if it were my only option. This cable retails for around 4.5 k. 

Next step was the Nordost Odin 2 cable. I understand that there is a significant jump in price as this cable retails for over 12 K. The difference between the Shunyata and the Odin 2 cable is more subtle. The primary difference is in the sound stage. The sound extends well beyond the speakers and front to depth soundstage is increased compared to Shunyata. There is also more detail and air at the top end. There is slightly more dynamics with the Odin 2 cable on back-and-forth listening. Please note, these differences are not in your face but subtle. Whether this is worth the price difference is something only you can decide.

The last cable that I had was the Sablon cable. The other cables measured 1.5 m but the Sablon was 1 m. I could not test if the length of cable makes a difference as I did not have the same cable in different lengths. (Please refer to Grimm Mu1 thread for context.)

The Sablon cable brings a lot of nuance to the entire spectrum of sound. The bass is taut and has a lot of finesse. String instruments reveal a good amount of inner detail, whether it’s plucking or bowing. Percussion sounds realistic. It nicely brings out the textures and extremely accurate with regards to tone and timbre. The mid range is extremely clear and well presented, which is one of the strengths of this cable. The top end is clean and extremely accurate. It has an uncanny ability to make the softest sounds really fleshed out and clear. If are a Pink Floyd fan “Hello Colonel, how are you tonight” never sounded this clear, it’s like you are on shrooms. 

This is how I would compare the Shunyata, Nordsost and Sablon. The system plays a huge role in laying out the differences. The bass is similar in all the three cables, they go deep, feel taut and have a lot of textures. It’s the midrange and highs that sound different. Nordstrom has a very neutral and sweet presentation that is very inviting. It sizzles in the top end and has superb dynamics. The other two cables cannot touch the Nordost in the highs. The Sablon shines in the midrange. It has one of the most accurate midrange sound and sounds really organic. The nordost is close but Sablon wins the midrange. The Shunyata is close to the other cables but does not sound better. So what did I choose? The sizzling dynamic Nordost or the realistic sounding Sablon?

I always believed that the highs are most important for music to sound alive and  imparting the feeling of being there. But Sablon changed my opinion, it’s the midrange that gives the sensation of live music. The Sablon made the music sound more alive than other 2 cables.  The difference with Nordost is subtle but definite. The other important thing especially for me was tone and timbre. I play violin and I value tone and timbre (reason for the choice of my speakers) as the most important attribute.The Sablon again wins this. Of course the price is the icing on the cake. So I have decided to buy the Sablon. Of course, in your system and for your ears, the outcome may not be the same. My recommendation is to try before you buy especially considering the price of the these cables.

svenjosh

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@rudyb : I understand you are skeptical to trying after market cables. Obviously your choice, be happy. Please let people interested in the topic discuss amongst themselves. No reason to interfere and put them down. Please step away, participate in topics of interest to you. Please ignore topics that do not interest you. Thank you

@jeffstrick : you should refrain from posting in threads you are not interested too. Do you have anything to offer on the topic? Let’s see: what do you think about cables? Which AES/EBU cable are you currently using, and connected to what? Thank you so much!

@jeffstrick : Chill dude. Read again what I wrote above. I will copy / paste it below. I was simply asking someone else, not you, to refrain from posting in topics that are of no interest to them, and let the others freely discuss the topic at hand. Or any topic for that matter. Very politely. How is this being an “instigator”, or “special”, or “unofficial moderator”? Chill, control your anger. Learn to manage it.

 

And you don’t even use AES/EBU. As you said. Why even bother in this thread. Unofficial moderator much? The irony 


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@rudyb : I understand you are skeptical to trying after market cables. Obviously your choice, be happy. Please let people interested in the topic discuss amongst themselves. No reason to interfere and put them down. Please step away, participate in topics of interest to you. Please ignore topics that do not interest you. Thank you

 

@jeffstrick : Please refrain from tagging me in your replies to me. Chill, control your anger, learn to manage it. Scroll above, you started this, attacking me for some reason, totally unprovoked 

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So at @thyname has post deleted pussy!!!!

Are you drunk? You just called me a pussy. What a childish comment. Or are you senile? I did not delete anything. You reported it, and the mods deleted a few of my post.

 

I cannot wrap my head around, what did I say to hurt your feelings? Please point on this doll where I touched you

 

And stop tagging me in your imbecile comments. You keep doing it

 

I was trained by AT&T

Ah. That pretty much closes the debate. Case closed. Winner

am a certified fiber splicer 

That too. One more to seal the deal 😉

 

Panzerkampfwagen: please refrain from posting in threads & topics that are no interest to you (i.e. cable threads). This is public forum to exchange user experiences, and not to change beliefs. You can start your own thread with whatever rant you feel makes you feel better.

 

@svenjosh :

There is a continual degradation in audio quality from the time of recording to the ultimate listening at your home. We are just trying to minimize the audio quality loss that occurs in our homes. That is the best we can do since we do not have any control over prior processes. So to answer to your question, there no way to get better sound than original but we strive to preserve what we can in the final part of audio reproduction. 

Well said and spot on! Exactly

@donavabdear : it sounds like you evaluate your digital cables solely based on the timing differences, i.e. speed of transmission. Sorry if I misunderstood you. Is this all there is on digital cables? All the other stuff about capacitance, impedance, shielding, radio frequency signal mitigation and more is just .... what? bollocks?

 

OP: as for Panzerkampfwagen, if you read something like this (copy / paste of his first illuminary contribution on this thread below), run! No need to read anything else from someone with that logic

Digital cables either work or they don't. Binary, zero or one. If they have ANY impact on performance, they are defective.

@donavabdear : That’s not what I asked, but OK, I understand, good platform for your rants blowing steam towards the "stupid" audiophile species who are always confused according to your multiple threads you had started. Carry on.

Have you been drinking? Sorry dude. Find another person to fight with. Or pet a cat (or dog)

come on argue with me

Some other day. I don’t have time right now. I will get back to you another day. Sorry, I sincerely hope you don’t mind 😁

they must be up to zero to be perfect.

Exactly! And as I posted on this forum right above:

 

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@svenjosh :

There is a continual degradation in audio quality from the time of recording to the ultimate listening at your home. We are just trying to minimize the audio quality loss that occurs in our homes. That is the best we can do since we do not have any control over prior processes. So to answer to your question, there no way to get better sound than original but we strive to preserve what we can in the final part of audio reproduction. 

Well said and spot on! Exactly

Also:

come frolic with me

Sorry, Not interested.

 

 

 

 

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Move along little doggies. 

Immature reply. And I am being nice. Childish really. Someone stole your toy?