ADC 26 BEST PRITCHARD CARTRIDGE EVER? or BEST CARTRIDGE EVER?


Dear friends: I always said that each day is a learning day and if like me that from several years now think always " out of the box " many of you will find out great rewards that audio always has for us as an unexpected gifts.

Obviously that’s not easy to think " out of the box " because to do that we have to have a different kind of self attitude where between other things we must to forget for ever at least the 50% of all the information we learned through our audio life in the AHEE. With out that " forget " we just can’t do it.

This review is more than an usual audio item review for many reasons I will try to explain over the thread.

First I want to leave very clear my room/audio system main target: STAY TRUER TO THE RECORDING.

To achieve that we have to think that usually the recording microphones are positioned at very near field of the MUSIC sources even like in the 3 Blind Mice recordings: inside the instruments. Recording microphones are not " seated " at 20m-35m. from the source as usually we listen when attend to a live acoustical music event. So we have to have self experiences of live MUSIC seated at near field. If some of us do not have that kind experiences then is very dificult to understand what I’m talking about here and elsewhere.

OK, the ADC 26 cartridge is a vintage Induced Magnet invented motor design by Peter Pritchard ( that pass away. ), it’s not a MM or MI or MC kind of cartridge design. Here you can read about and on his patent and a little of his audio life history:


https://www.stereophile.com/content/peter-pritchard

The cartridge under review is this:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ihw6yo.jpg

that is part of the ADC 25, 26 and 27 cartridge family.

This is the ADC 25:

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/download/file.php?id=31979

and this the ADC 27:

https://adelcom.net/ADC-adc%2027.JPG

and here the ADC 26 specs ( please take note those 15° stylus tip mounted angle. ):

https://www.vinylengine.com/library/adc/26.shtml


As you can see and read all seems very old and rudimentary with really humble cartridge specs ( nothing spectacular down there. ) where the elliptical stylus is: 0.03 x 0.07.

The ADC 25 red dot stylus ( exist the red blue 0.03 x 0.09 and the white dot. ) is similar to the 26 and the ADC 27 change is that is the same 26 stylus type but nude. I own all those models that comes with the same cartridge body but different color and where the cartridge motor in the 26 and 27 is similar and the cartridge differs only in the stylus and that the compliance instead 50 cu as in the 25 and 26 is " only " 40cu.

All these cartridges are my oldest ones ( comes from the 60’s. ) that I bougth years ago when started the very long MM Agon thread and I remember that I mentioned there the 25 and 26 but almost no one took cares about not even me because I really never gave it the enougth listening time to those cartridges and was only like a month ago that I really discovery this fenomenal, outstanding, astonishing and " perfect " performer.

When you listen it you are not listen as if was alike MM/MI/electrect cartridges but more as a live event/truer to the recording with some characteristics only shared for the best of the best LOMC cartridges.

I made my self developed evaluation proccess where I’m deep trained and is almost " bullet proof ".

The best MM/MI cartridge is with out doubt the AKG P100LE followed by Astatic MF-2500 and others as the JVC X1MK2 or the Technics EPC 100CMK4 but no one of them can even the quality performance levels of the ADC 26. The ADC is in a different league " the major league ".

I compared the 26/27 against the Colibri, Ortofon A95, Lyra Etna, My Sonic Labs Supereminent ( I think ? ? ) Dynavector XV-1s, Clearaudio Goldfinger and some other vintage top MC designs. No one of them beats overall the ADC 26.

The main 26 characteristics to beat belongs at both frequency extremes where if we want first rate quality performance there first condition is the transient response/attack of the music notes and develops of harmonics along the decay timing that’s where exist clear differences in between MC cartridges and all the other kind of designs. Nothing but the 26/27 compares with a top LOMC cartridges in those regards.

The transient response and fast timing decay in the low of the bass range is second to none and " mimic " what we can listen in a live event at nearfield position. With out this " sole " characteristic MUSIC as MUSIC just can’t exist and is here where belongs the MUSIC foundation.
At the other frequency extreme things are more of the bass range quality performance. In both frequency range it’s not only the rigthness of the transient response but the notes definition its very clear distinction in between and its harmonics. Exist no overhang or bold sound. At the high frequency range ( at the top. ) nothing can beats a Colibri 0.22mv output and the only contender for is precesily these ADC 26/27 ! !

As you can see the 26/27 specs says not very wide frequency range but when listen to it you can sware it goes from 5hz to over 100khz but the more important issue is the clear definition. When the timing in those frequency ranges are spot on then the overall MUSIC rythm is just spectacular and makes and moves all your feelings and body.

We all hear through all our body not only through our ears. We hear through the skin, bones, skind hair and millions of nervous terminations in the body and when you are listening to the ADC 26/27 all those have a true meaning as never before.

What about soundstage, layering, inner detail and the like: just very first rate. Tonal balance is outstanding nothing at the broad wide frequency range tells you " hey: I’m here ", exist a true coherence in between all frequency ranges.

Yes, it’s a UNIQUE listen experience a NEW listen experience coming from a very older cartridge and YES is the best Pritchard design and if you think that you already own the best cartridge ever you need to experience the ADC 26/27. I compared against the best out there in the same system with the same tonearms and same everything.

Was not only me but some other audiophiles friends where at least one of them is a music player. This one is a drummer/batery player and when he was at my place I run ( between other LPs. ) the Sheffield D2D with Ron Tutt and Jim Keltner great drummers with out telling him which cartridge was playing and my friend that’s a true expert with those instruments and golden ear by nature was " jaws dropping " and it’s because is incredible the TRUE of that kind of sound coming from the ADC’s
. This recording specially is something to listen through the 26/27 at 95db SPL with peaks in the 100db neigborhood, you can touch the sound and cut it with a sizzers ! ! !. It’s amazing.
The ADC never lost its aplomb no matters at what SPL you are listening from 70db to over 95dbs .

Every single good recording " sings " as never before of all what I experienced in my system and several other top audio systems.

One of the best MUSIC LP for testing any audio item is the Telarc 1812 and not because the cannon shots but overall frequency ranges that’s always a challenge for any cartridge andd for any audio system in other frequency ranges than the bass range.
No one of the other top LOMC cartridges can even overall the ADC 26/27 quality performance levels in this LP recording in all the frequency range other than the very low bass where the ADC beats to all of them.

I running the ADC 26 at 1.1grs and due ot its very high compliance ( 50cu. ) and cartridge body design is a very low rider when the 27 is only a low rider.
As with other top LOMC cartridges the alignment set up is critical but with the ADC 26 we have to do it with the best accuracy we can and with the VTA/SRA tiny/sligthly up at the tonearm bearing. This VTA/SRA is critical and as always not only depends of the accuracy overall set up but room system dependent.

That explosiveness, power, dynamics, transient response, thightness, flow, true tonal balance agresiveness, natural brigthness, rythm that usually exist only in a live MUSIC event with the ADC 26/27 you can feel that never was in your home audio system as nearer as with these ADC cartridges.

Those audiophiles terms as: lush, organic, color, smothness, bold, and the like does not exist through these " truer to the recording " performers. Those audiophiles terms/characteristics of sound just does not exist in the nearfield MUSIC live events are only characteristics " invented by the AHEE and very far away from reality.

The ADC 26/27 as the very top LOMC cartridges are made it for true music lovers more than for " audiophiles ".

I think that in the 60’s the ADC 26/27 you can get fro no more than 80.00 and today can compete against 15K+ LOMC cartridges.

This all new experience through the ADC 26/27 bcartridges came in the best moment when I 'm more mature in all subjects with MUSIC and audio and when my room audio system is at its best with all the up-dates and up-grades I can afford bor the better.

As always your contributions in the thread all are welcomed and appreciated.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.


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Dear @adc-grace : Good that you own those Grace ones and good that even that are very good does not beats the ADC.

"" 

your adc 26 thread.
All I am able to say is:
You are right!!!!

This is a very outstanding cartridge!!  "


thank's for that.


R.

Audiogon these days is like fake news sometimes.

@adc-grace we need your clarification, because Grace deserve respect, do you own the original Grace F14 or LEVEL-2 models or you are comparing your $100-200 ADC 26 to F-9 with the stylus from F-14?

The $400 F-9 is nowere near the $1400 F-14 cartridge.

Which exact model F-14 stylus do you have on your F-9 cartridge?

P.S. the OP is trying to sell his ADC 26 in another thread, so this is just the advertising with caps lock in title? I just don't get it. 
@nandric 

The mass of moving parts is obviously important because all cart producers try to reduce this mass .Lighter cantilever, micro ridge styli  and low uitput coils with as little wire as possible are examples. This is actually the reason for the preference for low-output MC cartridges. However MI cartridges have the lowest moving mass of all cart kinds.


Then why my Grado Signature XTZ (MI) is not the "best cartridge in the world" ? 


Why FR-7fz is so good being huge, superheavy low compliance monster ? 


And why some MM cartridges like Grace F14 and LEVEL-II or AT-ML180 are so good? 


Dear chakster, I don't believe that you can deduce your

statements about ''best carts'' from my statement about

''moving mass''. Moving mass is a part of the total cart

construction but an very important part. The fact that each

designer try to reduce this mass is obvious (?) prove

for this assumption. I am not familiar with other carts you

mentioned but well with FR-fz and AT-180. I think that

you confused ''moving mass'' by FR-7fz with its damper

which is ''responsible'' for the compliance. Besides ''rubber

damping'' is not part of the moving parts . The output by

FR-7fz is ''only'' 0,2 mV and means   little wire for the

 coils which means reduction of mass.

In your opinion the AT 180 is the ''best there is'' but this is

not the case by other opinions. As you know I prefer MC

kinds above any MM kind. So, in some sense, my opinion

about MM kinds is not relevant for ''MM lovers''.

@chakster 
Thank you very much.

You are right, I love ADC and Grace, but sadly I didn´t get hold of the F-14 and Level II yet.
The AsaKura´s One I didn´t know yet. But it is an MC. I like MM/MI more due to their more fluid sound. Like from one piece.

Back to the ADC25/26
My next step will be to get a better stylus in the stylus holder. Something like LineContact or MicroRidge. Really interested how the sound will change.
Dear @adc-grace : Mi take and next move with one of my ADC samples is like you, I will change cantilever/stylus for boron/ Line contact or Shibata one.

The ADC 25/26/27 cartridge motor is just unique and Pritchard induced magnet design is way superior to MM designs.
There are some really good MM cartridge performers but induced magnet/moving iron/moving flux ( that's a moving iron " refined ". ) as those ADC or Empire 4000D3 and some others that makes a little better " job ".

Obviously that the room/audio system quality level performance has " to much to say " because synergy could change system to system starting with the tonearm where cartridges are seated.

Analog never is " to easy " and with fixed rules.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Dear Raul,

you are right. You always have to test and test and test.........

With really good cartridges every small change effects the sound. It will sound different in every system, turntable, tonearm, phono-pre etc.

But once you have found good setups it is much easier with other cartridges. You get experience which changed could have a positive effect. The more experience you have the easier and faster you will get good effects.

But the detail is it. Even if I look at my Grace f-9 systems (have 2 original and 2 retiped styli) everyone is different. Different tonearm etc.

But everybody who one a light mass tonearm which is none unipivot (I did not the best experiences) should try an ADC 25/26/27

Regards
M.

@adc-grace
Forgive me if i asked before, but i'm curious, have you tried the ADC TRX-2 (Sapphire Cantilever / Vital Diamond) in comparison to your different ADC models ?  
@chakster 
I only have a TRX 1.
Bought it 2 years ago. But did only a short test for function. It is a little bit different.
Was not bad at all but not the right tonearm.
Will be the next system I will try on my ADC LMF-2 arm (nothing sophisticated, but light and good with different high compilance cartridges).
Perhaps I have time this evening. But I will report to you about it.

Regards

Dear chakster, ''the best ever'' is a way of speaking. Like

metaphors. One woud need to know how all cartridges ever

produced sounds in order to make such statement. What we

and you do is rather this: ''from all carts that I own I like ''x'' the

best.

I own TRX 2 in both versions; with sapphire and beryllium cantilever.

The later is slightly better. I also own JVC X-1,mk2, then AT TK

7 CL and ADC 26. All those 4 are my best MM carts.

@nandric so you like ADC 26 too ? I'm surprised, because i can imagine when the last time you have ever used MM or MI cartidge, i think that was the days then i was in high school :)  
@adc-grace

What only one day in high school?!?

He could stay with "MM/MI sound" for one day or one night only, haha

... and then to mount his cantilever-less Ikeda LOMC cartridge back for full enjoyment. 

p.s. i also like cartridges designed by Ikeda. 





@chakster , Curious sense for humor or teasing. I can also

imagine something or other but not why whomever would be

interested in the last time I listened to some of my (40) MM

kinds? From my ''confession'' that I prefer MC kinds one can't

deduce that I don't listen to MM kinds. There is something wrong

with your logic. The reason is that Russian believe in Hegel's

logic. He wrote two books about logic with more than 1000 pages

but there is no one single sentence relevant for modern logic

since Frege. 

I’m glad you’re back @nandric

Look, accoring to the spanish speaking in this thread:

The best MM/MI cartridge is with out doubt the AKG P100LE followed by Astatic MF-2500 and others as the JVC X1MK2 or the Technics EPC 100CMK4 but no one of them can even the quality performance levels of the ADC 26. The ADC is in a different league " the major league ".

I compared the 26/27 against the Colibri, Ortofon A95, Lyra Etna, My Sonic Labs Supereminent ( I think ? ? ) Dynavector XV-1s, Clearaudio Goldfinger and some other vintage top MC designs. No one of them beats overall the ADC 26.

and for this reason he decided to sell his "ADC 26 BEST CARTRIDGE EVER? " (he wrote it with caps-lock as usual). Can you imagine? I saw his post where he's selling that "best ever" ADC

How would you comment the logic behind this decision ? Just curious :)

I would beliebe more if your statement about ADC and your 40 MM and a dosen on LOMC cartridges will be the same.

Also i think you would play all the record only with ADC 26 (not with Ikeda) if the quality of this cartridge is so high compared to others.

Right ?





Dear chakster, ''Welcome back?'' If you mean to the ''old MM

thread time'' yes. The time when we earned money with our carts

obsession provided we were very vast and, of course, thanks

to Raul. That is btw why I still own 40 of those kinds.

I discovered by accidence the ADC 26 in one of my (many) ''parts

boxes''. I directly imagined , say, $1000 price. But your practical

logic is to praise the AT 170/180 of which you own an whole

collection and criticize ADC 26 for obvious reasons.

Well as is usual among brothers you get my advice for free.

When you sell all your AT's you my ''accumulate'' sufficient

capital to buy Ikeda 9 REX. The real ''best ever cart'' of all

kinds (grin).

@nandric 
I have tried my TRX. It is a TRX 2 with TRX 1 stylus. Bought it like it is.

It is a very good performer. Nice sound, good stage, very wide but not extremly deep. Good highs and bass. Very good card.

Compered to the ADC 25 it is also nice but not that "flowing".
In my system the ADC 25 is very natural. Voices sound incredible, nearly like real. The 25 is more balanced and natural. The highs are not that bright, but also good. Bass is deep and tight and the mids are very natural too.

This is only a first and fast opinion.

Cheers

@adc-grace, I am 100% sure about my first ADC 25. In the

70is it was one of the most expensive carts. To be precise 250

Dutch Gulden (= DM). So chakster ''estimation'' or qualification

as ''cheap cart'' is not correct. My scholarship back then was 200

Gulden.  So considering inflation the cart should be above

1000 euro at present. Alas I forget how ADC 25 sounded but

my ADC 26 is anyway equal to TRX, II Berillium, JVC X-1,mk2

and AT TK 7 CL.

@nandric 

The ADC is only the complete Kit. Means ADC cart and 3 differnet Styli.
2 elliptical and on conical.
The ADC 26 or 27 are the versions with only one styli.
I don´t know the JVC and the TK7, but with the TRX it will be on par.
Buit the sound is different more relaxed and natural.

As you say it was no cheap cartridge not in the 60s, not in the 70s or 80s. It was not the peak priced one but quite expensive for this time.

I am sure, the ADC 25 would profit from a "modern" diamond shape like MicroRidge, lineContact or similar on a light sapphire cantilever.
To my experience the most important thing is a really light tonearm. (works even on SL1210, but it is a compromise).

At the moment I choose between the Grace F9 with diff. styli and ADC 25. Depends a little bit on the kind of music and quality of the Vinyl pressing.

As Raul says "Enjoy the music"

M.

@nandric 

The price for ADC 26 was 22 000 YEN in Japan in the 70's:
https://audio-heritage.jp/ADC/etc/adc-26.html

and it's about the same as not even the best Victor X-1IIe 23 000 YEN at that time:
https://audio-heritage.jp/VICTOR/etc/x-1iie.html

But Victor X-1IIe has titanium cantilever and it's MM type with much better frequency response and "normal" compliance for any tonearm, price for Victor X-1IIe (for example) today is about $300-500 (used) and we have long statistics (sales history).

At the same time the TRX-2 is widely popular with its exotic cantilevers and Vital Diamond Profile and today price is $300-700 max (depends on condition).

So what's the reason for a 60's design of the cartridge with Aluminum cantilever and Elliptical tip to be more expensive than very popular models with exotic materials (the TRX designed by Nakatsuka San, now ZYX) ?

There is no demand for ADC 26 and people who sold that cartridge normally asked very low price for it, because nobody needs it. Even in Netherlands (especially for you my friend), the cost is 175 euro nowadays, look here: https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/audio-tv-en-foto/platenspelers-en-pick-ups/m1375530213-orgineel-adc-26-stereo-element.html

Of course, like our Maxican, enyone could ask crazy price for any cartridge and even create a special thread to sell it for astronomic price with promising title "the best ever?", but normally some smart buyers will look at the price statistic first. If there is no demand for a cartridge the price will never be as high as you suggested. The ADC 26 and related models in this series is extremely cheap in Tokyo, i've seen auction results and this is the reason i said it's a $100 cartridge today, well maybe NOS in the box could be $200-300. In the USA they must be even cheaper.

So as i said, not bad for $100 cartridge.  
 I don’t know for sure where ADC cartridges were manufactured, but I do recall back in the 70s that the ADC XLM and itS progenitors were much much cheaper in the US than in Europe. In fact at one point when I had to go to London for a scientific conference I brought ten ADC XLM cartridges with me and sold them to a dealer in London for a nice profit.  Presumably he went on to resell them for an additional nice profit to his retail customers. So if the model 26 and its related cartridges was expensive in Europe back in the 60s, maybe it was much cheaper in the US. I have no recollection of that model from the old days. The first ADC cartridge that I knew about was the XLM series.

 Chakster , let’s be fair. Haven’t you also touted cartridges on this forum that you later went on to sell at high prices, largely supported by your own online endorsement? It’s perfectly OK with me for you to do that, but I’m just saying.I think Raul has more than one ADC 26, and perhaps feels he doesn’t need more than one. 
@lewm maybe you missed his post in another thread where he said he's taking serious offers on his "best ever" ADC, link to this "review" has been provided. I have nothing to add about his methodology of product placement. 

I can't remember i have ever started a thread or review just to sell any of my spares. Can't remember that someone like Nandric did the same or anyone else, did you? We can recommend nice carts when people ask for it. I can't say which cart "is the best ever." Each Raul's cart is the best ever in his opinion, but in his own world only. 

In my opinion if any cartridge cost a lot there is a reason for it, first reason in material used (cantilever, diamond profile, coil wire etc, cartridge body etc) and overall condition, rarity and market demand for it. There is also price statistics available for everyone. 

The ADC 26 is $200 cartridge with cheap body, average stylus and cantilever. Designed in the 60's before your XLM, long before my TRX-2, before any Sonus. The 60's isn't the best time for hi-fi cartridges, but the OP claimed it was the best Pritchard's design, so Pritchard has not been able even to upgrade his carts in the 70's, even with his Sonus brand after ADC? You are free to believe. 
Chakster, but who are you to declare what is the value of this or that cartridge or tonearm? No one single person can do that. Your opinion is just one of many and has no more stature than anyone else’s with any expertise. In fact I can recall one instance when it appeared superficially that you raved about a certain cartridge or tonearm and then went on to be a seller. No need to rehash that here.  I have no problem with that. As I said.

 Raul has gone through several dozens of cartridges in his search for Nirvana. I think he does have two or 3 ADC 26s. So what’s the problem if he sells one? The value will be in the eye of the buyer. Evidently  Raul is asking too much for the market to bear right now. And ultimately the market will determine  what his cartridge it is worth. By the way, I will buy all the ADC 26s that you can find me for $200 each. Provided they are in mint or NOS condition.
By the way, I have not owned an XLM since the early 1970s. I found it to be lacking. But it was all the rage for a year or two back then.
Dear @adc-grace : TRX motor is same principle and performs very well. I owned the TR2 and still own the TRX 1 because the ! like me more than the 2.

Agree with you the ADC 25/26/27 is better quality performer and superior to the JVC and any Signet cartridge.

R.
Dear @lewm : ADC were made it in USA as Sonus second Pritchard company too. The 26/27 outperforms " face to face " with all the same system to any Sonus models.

Yes, you are rigth that I own more than one ADC 26 cartridge motor and original stylus and I owned for so many years that I not even remember of those great ADC models till I found out by " accident " looking for other cartridge in my closet.

But here I posted to adc-grace ( I think ? ? ) that what I will do is what he said in his last post: to re-tip one of my stylus replacement for the best today stylus shape as could be Micro Ridge or something like that and I'm totally sure that as impressive as is the stock ADC 26/27 quality performance high levels it will be a " little " more impressive. 
Btw, the 26 and 27 stylus are the same but the 27 is nude version of the 26 stylus .

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
@lewm 

Chakster, but who are you to declare what is the value of this or that cartridge or tonearm?

I do not declare value myself, i just search statistics of sales in the internet and anyone can do that if a person know how to use internet. I have also published a valid japanese source with the actual price from the 60s and 70s for certain cartridges including ADS 26 before you have posted that you don't know when this cartridge was released. Do you read my posts? I have a bunch of rare cartridges because i search for them everyday anywhere in the world and i know the market value pretty well. Each of my post actually contains a useful links, maybe you never checked them and someone always complain to the moderator for some reason, asking to remove my post with links for ADS sales for very low price. Guess who was that person and why he did it?  

Also i believe the mention of the prices on the public forum can only HELP users not to be ripped-off. 

If you need ADC 26 just buy from Raul, i think you have no problem with that. 

The one for 175 Euro (ADC 26 in the box) from Netherlands here you have just missed, sorry.

See how fast my post will be removed with no reason .
@rauliruegas 
Yesterday I did a little try.
Had a look on one of my ADC 25 styli and a Sonus Gold Styli (Pathemax diamond).
So I changed the ADC cantilever with the Sonus cantilever. It fits. Perhaps not perfect, but enough to get an impression how the ADC works with a sharper diamond.
What should I say? Yes it is better than the original diamond. So I will do the same as Raul. Try to get a modern diamond from a good retip service.

About the thoughts of some here. The ADC 25 couldn´t be that good etc....
This is no expensive cartridge. If you own a lightweight tonearm just try it! You will be impressed for sure.

But I also understand you. Couldn´t believe it too a few years ago. Tried it, but only on an Technics SL1210. It was good, but the tonearm didn´t match the cartridge. Now on the light tonearm it is just wonderful.


Cheers

I totally agree with my brother chakster that the primary

function of our forum is exchange of information. I am also(?)

multi- lingual and able to follow many international sites.

One of the ''richest'' is the German ''audio-markt.de''. The

most cartridge offerings are MC kinds (10 pages). The MM

kinds are much more ''modest'' but I have just seen offering

of ADC 25 styli for 199 euro. The plural means all 3.

I understand confusion and different valuation of cart prices

but my ''speculation'' is based on ''old MM thread'' . Each

cart of the month sky rocketed in price after Raul's recommendation.

I hope the same because I own this precious ADC 26.

Something like saying: ''history repeat itself'' (grin).

Sorry my brother (grin).



Dear @adc-grace : Good, your experience confirms my take about. Thak's to shared it

I will go a head. As a fact I own 4 stylus for this outstanding ADC cartridge.

R.
Dear @lewm  : You are rigth, almost everyone but rookies/new comers already knew it's a seller and if Agon permit it then fine.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

@nandric

Each cart of the month sky rocketed in price after Raul’s recommendation. I hope the same because I own this precious ADC 26.


Good point, i think this is the reason why the OP promotes so high his cheap ADC in this thread while in another thread he post a comment that he acccept offers, comparing his cheap ADC to some very expensive LOMC. But it’s absurd because we are all knew that he prefer LOMC nowadays, not MM/MI like it was decades ago.


A person who always contradict to himself:

-Years ago he was fighting people for superiority of MM/MI over LOMC

-Later the same person claimed it was a mistake and he has learned that LOMC are so much better.

-And finally posted this review claiming the cheapest $200 MI ADC 25/27 is equal to his best of the best LOMC (and for this reason he’s selling this gem, his new discovery). Can you believe it ?


I assume that he was right years ago about superiority of MI over MC, but why later he start posting in his own MM thread that LOMC are better ?


Would anyone trust a reviewer who became a seller and selling products from his own review ? This tactic is so bizarre. Not sure who is his target audience here?


P.S. Of cource we’re all have too many cartridges and we’re are all selling some of them from time to time, but the way we’re doing it is so different compared to a Mexican way.


The prices for some vintage cartridge goes up because of the market demands and rarity. The review can rise up a demand, but can’t rise up the rarity. Also price statistic can not be deleted from the internet, no matter how much our Mexical can ask for his "gem" pretending not to be a seller.






@adc-grace

 Yesterday I did a little try. Had a look on one of my ADC 25 styli and a Sonus Gold Styli (Pathemax diamond). So I changed the ADC cantilever with the Sonus cantilever. It fits. Perhaps not perfect, but enough to get an impression how the ADC works with a sharper diamond. What should I say? Yes it is better than the original diamond.

Sure, then why not to change the cantilever?



So I will do the same as Raul. Try to get a modern diamond from a good retip service.

It's optional, but if you agree that stylus does matter, i hope you agree that cantilever does matter too. Then summarise the cost of the High-End cantilever and High-End Stylus you're getting closer to the price of the completely different vintage cartridge with those types of cantilever and stylus already installed by original designer somewhere in the 80s. For example Grace products, if you will change just the stylus on your Grace you will upgrade the cartridge/sound. They made Boron/MicroRidge and Beryllium/MicroRidge, they are all high compliance. There is a HUGE difference between Aluminum/Elliptical and Boron/MicroRidge styli made by Grace (in my experience). So this brand's designers were smart enough to make many different styli (different cantilevers and diamonds) for their customers who would like to upgrade, so they don't need to retip or refurbish their carts with third-party vendors. Unfortunately ADC and its "genious" designer does not offer such option for his customers, no wonder why, because his ADC 26 was designed back in the 60s, when they can not even dream about Hi-Fi cartridges that appeared on the market only in the 70's and reached Ultra High-End quality only in the 80's.   

So the story about 60's ADC MI remind me a story about 60's Denon 103 MC. Owners are happy to invest more in their 60's cartridges instead of investing in the proper cartridges made with better styli/cantilevers a bit later in the 70's. There are many, but i'm not sure how many did you tried? 

The ADC 25 couldn´t be that good etc....This is no expensive cartridge. If you own a lightweight tonearm just try it! You will be impressed for sure.But I also understand you. Couldn´t believe it too a few years ago. Tried it, but only on an Technics SL1210. It was good, but the tonearm didn´t match the cartridge. Now on the light tonearm it is just wonderful.
 
I;m surious what do you think about Denon DA-401 toneam for High-Compliance cartridges? Or Technics EPA-100 and EPA-100 mkII toneamrs for High Compliance cartridges ? Or Victor UA-7045 toneam? 

To my surprice some of the a'gon members are happy to use high Compliance MM even on Fidelity-Research FR64s high mass tonearm. I have the arm, but i haven't tried any MM on it yet. 

P.S. Where is ADC MI today ?
But this is a brand new Coreless Straight-Flux Cartridge from ex Grace engineer, interesting one (for $12 000). 


Coreless Straight Flux Cartridge.... costs $12,000?
"Inductance, secret".  Ya gotta love that.
I'm going to look for it in Tokyo in May, if I can remember the name, which by then I probably won't.
@lewm it was J.Carr you has mentioned this new cartridge on our forum first, it was last year if i remember correct. Being a Grace fan i’m pround the ex Grace engineer invented this brand new cartridge. The name is TOP WING and they made two models, this is another model TOP WING Suzaku (Red Sparrow)  http://topwing.jp/RedSparrow-en.html
To my surprice some of the a'gon members are happy to use high Compliance MM even on Fidelity-Research FR64s high mass tonearm. I have the arm, but i haven't tried any MM on it yet.

Try it Chak......you may be surprised 🤗
I had an ADC XLM which was mounted in a Grace 707...a great combination.   I had problems with the suspension failing, however, it was very easy to replace.  At the time I thought it excellent, but my components were not as good as I currently have.
@chakster 
I changed the diamond including cantilever, sorry if I described not in the right way.

For sure the stylus shape was fine and modern in the 60s. But even if I get another cantilever with a "state of the art" stylusshape it will be much cheaper the a Grace or something else (I bought my ADC a few years ago for about 50 €). I all ready own 3 F-9s.
In my opinion the generator is very good (but heavy). I hope the ADC would benefit a lot.
You are right. It is a little bit of a shame ADC and Sonus didn´t go the Grace route with a lot of different stylus. Not only as upgrade but also as a perfect match to your own listening routine. But it is like it is.

I am sorry,  I know these tonearms but never tried them myself.

The ADC was good on the 1210, but is much better with the right tonearm match.

At the moment I don´t know where the prices are. Haven´t seen one or a longer time. But I am sure you could find a bargain. Think the ADC 25 was produce in not too low numbers.


These new "Grace" artridges look nice, but they are way out of my budget.


@stringreen 
the failing of suspension is a common problem with the later ADC.
Not with every stylus but can happen. I also had an XLM and ZLM (also very nice for vocal jazz etc.) with the same prob. Other XLMs and ZLMs I own don´t have the prob.

 Halcro, with regard to your message to Chakster I think I read that Chakster  uses a Reed 3P tonearm, 12 inches in length, made of Cocobolo. He has apparently mounted more than one high compliance cartridge on that tonearm which would have an effective mass at least equal to that of an FR 64S, or maybe even an FR 66S.  So de facto he has done the experiment.
Still, his results with the FR 64S would interest me, as a comparison between the Reed tonearm and the FR 64S with whatever headshell..
Dear @lewm  : Certainly you have a misunderstood on the FR64S/Reed effective mass because are way different by a wide margin: Reed depending the wood/headshell models goes maximum at around 26 and normally around 22grs. where the 64S has 35grs.

Here what Fleib posted in the MM thread:

"""  fleib
VE has FR64S listed as 35g eff mass. I've heard the arm sound great with some moderate cu carts, but I wonder about high cu.

It could be no change using a high quality arm 1/5 the mass, but I suspect otherwise. Eff mass is the same as MOI (moment of inertia) and even with low bearing friction the mass seems to slow down response and make it sound different. What might be authoritative with one cart might sound thick with another?

I think Raul was right concerning low frequency resonance, but that's not the only consideration. Peter Pritchard advocated 6.5Hz. Maybe this was for his 50cu carts, but the Sonus arm has 4.1g eff mass. MOI is extremely low. Hard to imagine how extreme mass wouldn't make a difference. ""



of course it makes a difference and not for the better. That we like it does not means: " for the better."
Mr. Ikeda designed his FR64/66 tonearms thinking in his low cu and heavy LOMC cartridges he designed and never had in mind been coupled with 30 cu to 50 cu.

Again, can work: so what?. I tested several MMs with my SAEC 506 very high effective mass: only its headshell weigth is 18grs. and is a long tonearm as the 66: go figure, and with not dry grease at SAEC bearings as FRs.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

@lewm

Chakster uses a Reed 3P tonearm, 12 inches in length, made of Cocobolo. He has apparently mounted more than one high compliance cartridge on that tonearm which would have an effective mass at least equal to that of an FR 64S, or maybe even an FR 66S. So de facto he has done the experiment.

At the moment i have 4 arms on my 2 turntables in the main system:

FR-64fx with FR-7fz LOMC
Victor UA-7082 (long) with Sony XL-55 MM
SONY PUA-7 with Ortofon MC-2000 LOMC
Lustre GST-801 Silver Wire has been tested with FR PMC-3 LOMC and now free of cartridge, will add my Piconeer PC-1000 mkII back soon.

Normally Lustre and Victor are the arms where i can use MM/MI

Waiting my audition:
FR-64s with B-60 base (where i’m gonna use my Miyabi MCA)
Denon DA-401 for all my High-compliance MM like Grace
Technics EPA-100 which i’ve bought again last month (also for MM)

Something that i can’t use on my Luxman PD-444:
Technics EPA-100 mkII (must be on Victor TT-101 if i will fix that TT)

Something that i have not used on Luxman PD-444 yet:
Reed 3P "12 Cocobolo (it was my reference on Technics SP-10mkII) and it was fantastic with Glanz 61, Victor X-1II, Stanton 980 etc, AT-ML180 etc. BUT the effective mass of reed is 18g (without cartridge mass and screws).



I would beg to differ on this thread. The ADC 10E MKIV is better than the 26. Nude elliptical diamond stylus. Compliance is 35 instead of 50. I have the 26 also. The 26 is NOT better than the 10E. 
Dear @wolfie62 : The 10E as the 220 and 26  shares same kind of design including cartridge body shape but are not the same.

At specs level the 10E is better than the 220 and the 26 best specs than the 10E.

The review here is the 26 with the 27 stylus that's the nude elliptical one. As a fact the 10E came out/ was marketed just before the 26 that in theory is an improvement on the 10E.

I can't speak on the 10E because I never listened to it, so for me the best down there is the 26/27.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Just want to share with you a couple needle drops of my youtube channel of the ADC26-27 which i got from Raul a few months ago.                     https://youtu.be/2R6IWvjVWIk                                                                    https://youtu.be/P933hdDtbQU                                                                  Hope you like them and forgive my audio video amateur skills.  This were done directly from the phono preamp to a Tascam sd20m (not from the speakers to avoid the room acoustics interaction) recorder and then uploaded through the imovie app on my phone.  
If I am right the ADC 25 has much higher compliance then 26/27.
I own two samples of 26 but both with doubtful styli. My proposition
is to exchange one of my 26 for an good 26/27 stylus. Not 25 stylus
because of compliance difference. 
@nandric Yes I think is the way to go the 27 stylus is already around 35or 40 cu, probably the 25 is around 50cu, very high.  What i would probably do when this stylus wears out is just send it to a rettiper and have him put something better like microline, the 27 is just nude elliptical with aluminum cantilever.  Finding 26 or 27 replacements i,m sure won,t be easy.
Cardani, As J. Carr explained the advantage of an 
aluminum cantilever is that the stylus can be pressure fitted in.
To retip my 26 would mean gluing an stylus instead. This is 
done by cutting the existing cantilever and than gluing the new
one on the restant of the old cantilever. I have done this once but
never again. Besides the suspension is very difficult to fix on
those ADC's . I have seen new 25 for $100 but will try to get
an 26 or 27. 

Dear @cardani : Thank’s to share your playback videos and good to know that everything is ok with because I remember the " problems " when you began its set up. Not an easy cartridge for set up and I mean a set up where the cartridge can shows at its best.

For other Agoner’s cardani is a gentleman that lives in my country México but in a different city that where I live. He and his wife are double-bass active players in the Xalapa Symphonic Orchestra so first than all he is a MUSIC lover that like to enjoy MUSIC in his home.
He knew and listened the 26 at my place in one of his trips to México city and due that I owned two26/27 samples with in good condition stylus I sold to him one of those samples.

Btw, before you bougth the 26/27 my idea was to send one sample to a re-tipper looking not only for a today stylus shape but boron cantilever and I still think about with the sample I own due to its great quality performance an extraordinary cartridge motor: unique for say the least. VdH can do for me.

I listened to my over 100 cartridges but always come back to the 26/27 unit.

It’s the only MM/MI cartridge that really does not performs or has the sound signature of MM/MI cartridges, it’s a lot more in the LOMC top models side.

For me even today still is a fenomenal discovery and came from the early 60’s.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.