A revealing speaker


There's a thread on the use of the word, revealing, but it's really all I could think of to describe these speakers.
They say idle hands are the devils work so in these virus times, Tony Minasian has been very busy. He came over with his newest creation, a stand mount monitor of modest proportions, using off the shelf drivers and the same material he used with my old Tonian Labs TL-D1s: birch ply with a nice walnut veneer.

What was supposed to be an hour session went well over three. We listened to Paris Combo, Anouar Brahem, Johnny Cash, the Breaking Bad soundtrack, Stacy Kent, Pacifika, The Elizabethan Sessions, Billie Eiish, The European Jazz Trio, Abdullah Ibrahim, and a couple of CDs that Tony recorded with some studio musicians. Tony had a couple of calls that had people waiting but we were having too good a time.

My first thought was, where's the bass? Two minutes later I'd completely forgot about it. These monitors "only" go down to the 60s but what bass they do handle easily allow the mind to fill in the rest. There's plenty of growl when called for with electronica coupled with the most see-through I've experienced. I still haven't disabused myself of the thought of selling my JBLs for these stand mounts. If I had them for a week, I'd keep them.

I had to ask Tony what the secret was and as usual, he was a bit mum about it, but he let on that it's all in the crossover, once you've settled on a decent set of drivers. He also explained that the speakers are what one needs to really get right. Your digital source has distortion in the 10/1000s% and your amp has it in the 10/100s% but your speakers are at 10% (or more) so they need to be as correct as can be. 

The most amazing thing about these speakers is they'll make you think you're listening with some mega-buck Swiss amp, fed by a SOTA high-res set up. Listening to his Redbook, 16bit recordings through these speakers had us laughing out loud. My Marantz sounded like my Kinki integrated playing through my JBLs. These speakers could transform any modest system into an excellent sounding one, and that is the point of this hobby, isn't it?

Listening to Tony's CDs had me constantly looking around in an instinctive way, to see where that sound came from. I knew it was recorded but the reaction was on a baser, automatic response level, which irked me. There was even a moment when a dog got up and walked across the soundstage, left to right, and you could hear his paws click across the floor. One of the studio musicians and a frequent performer used by Tony, Brad Dutz, listened to and then bought a pair for his studio after listening to his performance, replacing his NHT and B&W monitors.

These speakers had me working overtime, tuning my set up with my new Isoacoustic Oreas, so I don't have to buy them. I'm used to my JBLs now but I'm still haunted by this revealing, realistic and beguiling speaker. If you're in or around the Los Angeles area, and are in the market for a great monitor, do yourself a favor and give Tony a call and ask him about his G6 (it's what he's calling it for the moment).

As much as I loved my TL-D1s, these are much better, and they don't even go as low. I asked Tony if he could redo the crossovers on my JBLs to eek out some more performance but what he did with his G6, two way, can't be done with a three way in the same manner. He said to just use the pots on the JBL to suit my tastes and not be afraid to use them as it's not like using tone controls on the amp end. He was right. He usually is.

All the best,
Nonoise




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The last I've heard (rather, saw) of these speakers was in a video of the last audio show he was in. It showed the POV of the recorder as he walked into Tony's room, which was crowded, and you could see his speakers at the back of the room. 

All the best,
Nonoise

Sorry, but I don't. It's been some time since then and it was made easier to pick out as Tony knew when it was coming and showed me a video of the dog getting up and walking away moments before it happened. 

Without the knowledge of what made the noise, I would have thought it was some kind of percussion going on.

All the best,
Nonoise
It would be to your detriment. I used to have his TL-D1 speakers and they have thin cabinet walls and were tone monsters, recreating an almost impossibly convincing presentation. 

The speakers were designed with that in mind. Some other makes do the same thing; some succeed, some don't. Tonian Labs is one the few that does. If the speaker maker knows what he's doing, then I give them the latitude to make whatever they want as long as it floors me with the sound, and Tony doesn't disappoint.

All the best,
Nonoise
Actually, they are a two-way monitor. Just looking at them, they appear to be just another in a long line of monitors but once your hear them, you'll know you have something special to consider.

All the best,
Nonoise
@snowpidgeon,
Thank you for that thorough and enjoyable ride of a review. I thought I had my system finally dialed in, and to a large extent, I have, but after reading your thoughts on the G6, it's bringing back that slight but growing urge to listen to them again. 

It's a good thing I finally sold my other monitors.

All the best,
Nonoise
First, thank you, @hifiheartguy, for your impressions and contributions to my wavering mental state. Great to have you aboard here, on A'gon. Same for you, @rocray. These speakers still haunt me but I have to keep things in perspective. Tony told me he could always make me a pair, down the road, should I change my mind.

I’m also factoring in an A-HA moment I just had prior to posting this. While looking under my SACD player to see how much to move my Isoacoustic Orea footers (trying to eek out some more highs but not at the expense of the mids and that marvelous 3D imaging I’m getting), I glanced at the display and noticed a "F1" setting. I remembered trying out the F2 setting years ago and couldn’t discern any difference so I left it at the F1 setting.

Well, now with better cables, a newer set of speakers, and the new footers, going to the F2 setting eliminated some mid and low end bloat and just opened up the highs, like clouds parting. I’ve just spent the last 3 hours scurrying through my go to CDs and am more than just happy.

If the G6 were a "10" and my JBL 4319 were a "5", going to the F2 setting brings the JBLs up to 7.5-8, and I’m not kidding about this. Tony’s speakers will be on my radar and if I can sell off a couple of things, I’ll be giving Tony a call.

All the best,
Nonoise
The JBL 4319 is nice looking and nice sounding and from what I've been told, going to the L100 would be, at best, a sideways move. If I had the space, I'd go for the new G6 from Tony, but I can't justify having both.

Time will tell, and congrats on getting the G6 speaker.

All the best,
Nonoise
@snowpidgeon,
That's quite the speaker journey you've had. After reading it, I'm starting to get that itch again, thinking I was over it. A friend of mine who read this let me know that he's interested in my JBL 4319 monitors. I told him I was keeping them but now I find myself vacillating. Not the best position to be in.

All the best,
Nonoise
@phill55,

Yeah, Tony is one of the most down to earth guys you'll meet. The $3K price sounds about right but I really didn't pay attention as my focus was just on the sound (part of my rationalizing process). 

I think he only has a couple on hand and people are interested once they hear them and tend to buy them after auditioning. Good luck on that front.

All the best,
Nonoise
I wholeheartedly concur. I've done things backwards enough to last a  couple of lifetimes. 

As for my JBLs, they're staying as I've gotten some pretty great results with the Isoacoustic Oreas under my gear. The resulting focus shows just what is masked in those CDs as it's got lots of depth now.

All the best,
Nonoise
It's actually a dome tweeter. I can't remember the brand but it is off the shelf (readily available) and it has all the air and ambience you'd need and zero bite or edge. I'm still scratching my head on that one.

All the best,
Nonoise
I can't say how this speaker compares to Fritz's speakers but I did ask Tony if he knew Fritz and he did, but that was about all he'd say. I got the impression that Tony thinks his speaker is better, and not by a small margin.

As for not discussing his speaker, it might have been all down to timing. Tony takes great care in sourcing his drivers and puts them through their paces. One that he likes is a newer one from Fostex but he said they have this crazy business model. Here is a great midrange driver that's almost full range but Fostex only made about 500 and allocated 300 to Europe and the other 200 for the rest of the world. They have the baskets, driver material, magnets and everything they need to make even more (the demand was high) but instead, they just scrapped the line and started on another one.

He's got his eye on some new drivers for a future build but it doesn't always go as planned. Being at the mercy of a supplier that will suddenly cut a line of product is not reassuring.

All the best,
Nonoise
It's from the first season and it's just the intro that's played on all the episodes. It's loud, grungy, and peppered with lots of instruments all doing their own thing, seemingly incongruous but they all gel at the end.

It's a short and good demo for any system.

All the best,
Nonoise
@erik_squires , Understood and appreciated. 😄 
I just needed something to ground it to for references sake. Transparent, engaging, even bracing would describe them.

@mapman , Tony has a working name that appealed to me. 
It's Oriaco G6. I sometimes wish I still had the TL-D1s. They did lots of things right and reflect Tony's design parameters of clearness, accurate tone, no overhang (think start and stop on a dime), and all the things he hears in his recording studio recreated in his speakers, as best he can.

All the best,
Nonoise
Ruthless would not be the way I’d describe it. As the old as the saying goes, think iron fist in a velvet glove. It was never shrill, grating, or etched. It just simply got out of the way of the music like I’ve never heard.

The CDs that Tony recorded had all manner of percussion instruments, the likes I’ve never seen before. I say seen, as Tony had some videos he shot of the performers sitting on the studio floor with all their instruments strewn about. They’d just pick something up and play against each other in an impromptu manner, and still be in sync.

So for me, ruthless doesn’t quite describe it due to it’s negative connotations. The only downside I can think of is that I wish it were a floorstander as I’m very fond of that big sound I get from my JBLs. There’s that bit of heft that it’s missing but in my medium-small apartment, I think the bass was easily down to the 50s as I had no problems filling in the rest. It was only after they were gone was when I appreciated, again, that fulsome sound of the JBLs.

All the best,
Nonoise