A little help please


My room is 13' x 21' x 8.5' ceiling. Speakers are located along the short wall about 12-18" off the wall. They can't come out as they'll block an entrance way.  They are about 4' from the side walls. 

Currently I have a Prima Luna Classic Integrated with their standard tubes. Source is Rega Apollo R, MMF-5/Clear Audio Nano V2, or Proton DAC. Speakers are Totem Arro (no mass laoding).

I realize that my placement isn't ideal and my wife's need for decorating balance with furnishings,etc require some trade-offs but I just don't think these speakers are up for the job in some cases. Some songs, like acoustic blues, female vocals, even piano sound great but I'm sometimes finding other recordings seem to sound muddy and there's no real pop and umf on some drums; like I'm hearing music but not feeling it some times.

The totems are not mass loaded. I have heard that mass loading them will tighten up the bass. I could also try some different tubes, but overall I'm not sure either or both will make that big a difference. Which leads me to a discussion of a sub or some new speakers.

I lean towards new speakers.

Possibilities (depending on what I can get my wife to agree to in price and size) are:

PSB Imagine T2, Quad 25L, Revel F206 - As noted above there are decorating issues. A sofa is located about 2.5 feet in front of the right side. As it is now imaging is good, my concern with these is they all have some low driver positions that will be an issue unless I can relocate. Relocating to the long wall is an issue because I'd have to straddle a working fireplace as well as other considerations. 

A larger Totem Forest - leaves me wondering if I'll have similar issues with bass.

Audio Physic Tempo 25 (NOT the plus version) - demo from my local store.

Vandersteen 3A - Signature - also demo from my local store. These are likely too big for my wife's taste; and quite possibly my amp.

 
 One thing I didn't note so far was the possibility of a sub-woofer.  I'm not thrilled with the idea but I haven't given it an ear so I can't say.

Thoughts anyone?

Thanks for reading and taking the time to respond, Jetson.
jetson

Showing 7 responses by freediver

I think the problem here is the amp just can’t handle the low impedance of your speakers.I would upgrade speakers to something a bit more friendly & change  the small signal tubes.Sonus Fabers sound good placed close to walls & love tubes.
Search the forums for "Arro".Scroll for the many "which amp for"posts I sure are here.The problem I see is placement.Most of the great speakers need a bit of room to breath so the soundstage can develop.I would also search "close to wall"in the speaker forum & see what comes up.With your budget I would at least retube the small signal tubes &  shoot the rest on speakers that would support an amp upgrade at a latter date.
IMO the amp you have is capable of making MAGIC!You just need the right speaker.Gently used Sonus Faber Concertino/Concerto Home(both front ported) or better yet the Toy Towers(with bass port plugged)would sing with that amp & look good enough to satisfy wifey.
With that amp probably.It depends on how stable the impedance is & if it has big swings through the freq.spectrum.Anything with over about a 40degree swing I would shy away from.Take for instance the Toy Towers.Rated 8 ohms dip to mid 4’s in the upper bass BUT only swings 35 degrees so it’s a gentle curve,no problem.
OP:How in the *^*K can a so called Authorized Dealer not know his own product?That’s a BIG RED FLAG to me.Here’s an idea.Take back BOTH the amp & speakers & get the upgraded amp with those funds!PS:I’m curious how did the Arro’s sound when you demo’d them & what amp was used?Also the Treo’s are a textbook example of easy to drive!They could be more sensitive though.Have a look at Living Voice, Reference 3A speakers & Omega speakers.
Yea the Dialog would have no trouble with the Arro’s.If you could trade up to that amp you would NEVER need another & speaker choices would be wide open INCLUDING Magnapans!The Paradigms require a well treated room to shine.Never heard the Acoustic Zen but ALL my cables are by them!I am actually a Retired U.S.Army Deep Sea Diver.Born & raised in Central Fl.I’ve been breath hold diving since I was 3 years old!52 + years however has taken it’s toll on my back so SCUBA is out & I don’t care for surface supplied any more so FreeDiving it is.I try to stay above 60’ unless I’m chasing BIG fish.Be sure to keep us updated,nothing worse than OP’s leaving us wondering how everything turned out.Good luck...
Mark these words.You WILL regret moving from tubes to SS!It’s a damn shame you can’t sit down & listen to my simple little rig.The Yaqin MS-30 compares VERY well to your amp(I run strictly in Triode Mode 25wpc.)driving the Sonus Faber Toy Towers(you can get around $1250.00)in my treated room.These speakers are one of audio’s hidden gems.They really are the real deal but since they never got any press they hide in the shadows.Yes I still want to try a low powered Single Ended Class A with them so the amp is up for sale but that’s the nature of this hobby.Could I live happily ever after with the Yaqin Tube Integrated.If it doesn’t sell I’m going to change out the Chinese EL34’s for a set of Gold Lion KT77 Re Issues(Cryo treated & Platinum Matched) & I’ll let you know.