@kerrybh right... to get to 1 million subscribers he must know something
A controversial takes on low cost speakers with a lesson...
A controversial takes on 5 speakers comparison with an acoustic lesson few will catch:
It is evident that this man in this video is not a mature audiophile but an ordinary beginner not a "troll" as you seem to be with few others here derailling the thread with no positive comment... I did not used this video to troll myself as you insinuated qualifying the video of "dumb video" then attributing this quality by extension to me the OP when i used it to speak about acoustics importance and meanings.... I will takes back the apology i gave you few days ago thinking that you were a good faith person... The underlined part of your post reveal how hypocrital you are and conscious about the way to push the right button to derail my thread with some others which with you banded with... I gave you no respect for that and for your past trolling against me either...
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Now i go back to serious matter with a question : If the timing and directionality of reflections are critical, if early lateral reflections boost ASW, while late lateral and rear reflections boost LEV, then no matter which is the price or the design of your speakers, there are acoustical parameters that makes us able to transform completely our reviewing impressions about any speakers, then what matter the most acoustics parameters controls or a slight speakers design upgrade or price upgrade ? Knowing how to pose the question is already the answer... This simple discovery by the youtuber of my first video, who seems to be less dumb and of better good faith than some troll post in my thread, was the matter of my thread...
It is evident that each one of us, as the person in my first video, one day each one of us as beginner we discovered that speakers locations and the space we are with transform or had an impact on our evaluation of speakers workings ... Are we dumb because we are able to speak about it and are we troll because we post about this ?
This is why i used this video...
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I did not say you were trolling. That's what I clarified exactly. If you still twist my words, that's not my problem. I never in this thread said or implied that you were trolling. I watched this video. All 19 minutes. 19 minutes I will never get back. I can tell you 10 + 1 reasons why it's dumb. My, my, praising Andrew Robinson. He is shallow and wrong in so many ways. (I am ignorant about 99.99% of all things and anything I would say about it would be dumb. The things is, I know it and I wouldn't make a video about things I know very little about for 1 million subscribers.) Here is what I did just now. I watched 5 random minutes of it again. It is so dumb, I cannot even begin. But get this: I am saying this on this forum. Sure, the guy makes good points - for beginners. But the way he makes it is just dumb. Is it subjective (what is dumb)? Absolutely. It is just painful for me to watch. I am by no means an audiophile expert and that makes it even more obvious. Now the elephant in the room is your personal insults. Totally unnecessary. I don't know why you have the need to attack people who have a different opinion than you do. I didn't form an opinion about you but about the link you posted. Do I care about your personal attacks? No. I am just tired of them. It makes people avoid your posts. |
Why the frequency responses of a speakers design is not enough to know the speakers potential peak performance ?
Because of the room frequency response in which it will be working...
But why the room frequency response is not enough to reach the optimal sound quality experience ?
Because there is psycho-acoustics parameters...
Because stereo listening is completely unnatural for our hearing sense...We must use this unnatural situation for the best...
Then What ?
Then you can tune mechanically your room in relation to your own hearing perception...
I did it mechanically using Helmholtz resonators tunable and specifically located grid of resonators...I tuned them on a long period in a self correcting way i had 100....
Doing so i used in a mechanical way the psycho-acoustics principle related to the way each of our ears perceived each speakers timing and location ...
I learn acoustics doing it but it is not esthetical nor practical especially in a living room if you have no time ( i was retired)....
Then the only optimal way is after buying speakers, after doing the minimal acoustics treatment and control you can read Dr. Choueiri articles and methods using psycho-acoustics in a non mechanical way but with specific filters to optimize your speakers/room for your specific hearing...
There is no other way i know of....
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Imagine you yourself start a serious thread and few harassing posters tried to derail it... Imagine my only post in this thread of yours is about how dumb the youtube video which you used is, so dumb that this youtuber is certainly trolling us... Then if you put yourself in my shoes won’t you feel attacked as the OP of this thread by me posting as an answer that you had just post a so evidently dumb video designed probably by a troll ?
Go elsewhere if you are not interested by acoustics... And dont play the surprize game ....it is called hypocrisy...
I just posted few days ago in a thread of yours without any insinuation a good post answering your question , are you not able to act as a gentleman in the same way ?
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I gave my 19 minutes to watch that video and then I felt I had the right to say what I thought. But oh well. I didn't know the rule that you can post whatever and I need to shut up about it if I have a negative opinion about the video.
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A thing i discovered thinking about the two groups opposing each others in audio: The so called subjectivist and the objectivist was their common ignorance about the importance of the acoustics and psycho-acoustics concepts and parameters because they are focus on the gear frequency response or their "taste" when "hearing" a piece of gear... But the frequency response as analysed by ASR afficionados or as experienced by audiophile ears in a living room dont tell the story that must be tell at all...
Now what means the ratio ASW/LV and why it matters so much more than the price of your speakers.... This is the subject of the thread i begun ....
For example when i did the mechanical tuning of my room to recover the spatial attribute of the sound i ought to be dealing with the trade-off between the frequency responses of the room/speakers for the timbre perception versus the spatial localization of the sounds sources. It was a trade-off an imperfect mechanical game of tuning... I learned a lot... but the only way to do it optimally without losing in this trade -off between timbre accuracy and spatial attributes cannot be mechanical...We need psycho-acoustics measures of the head and inner ears canals and the application of filters which will makes us able to recover the loss of acoustic information which is there in the recording but lost in the speakers/ room stereo unnatural situation ...
This is why it is very important for any audiophile to read articles by Dr. Edgar Choueiri to understand clearly the acoustic challenge at play, especially if unlike me you have not the time , the dedicated room and you are not interested in investing so much time in the tuning of a room mechanically...
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@mambacfa your post got lost in this curious thread, but I agree with you 100%. I learned about the Lii audio speakers a few years ago and purchased the cheaper 6 inch models thinking I was basically throwing money away. I put them into simple open baffles and they really surprised me. The whole range of the audio spectrum certainly was not there, but there was a quality of immediacy that was captivating. I later got a pair of the F-15s and put them in a nicer open baffle and they remain as one of my top systems to this day. They are great with low power tube amps For instance. |
This curious thread is about acoustics not about speakers brand name... Then it is not a "curious " thread but an acoustics question thread... You are welcome to post your experience about acoustics ... My deepest regards...
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@bruce19 that's a pretty creative solution. |