A controversial takes on low cost speakers with a lesson...


A controversial takes on 5 speakers comparison with an acoustic lesson few will catch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5tSjE4afM

mahgister

Who knew if you moved speakers around it changed the sound? wink

Did you see the speaker wire used? Looks like cheap came with my $50 speaker wire. Also how he stacked them, had them side by side, reflecting off a table. 

Did he break in any of the speakers or amp? I know horn speakers (klipsch) can sound like poo when brand new, they need time to mellow. 

I have no idea how he can not tell a difference between the lowest cost and highest cost speaker. No use of any SPL device to make sure you are matching volumes. Typically people will pick the loudest speaker, regardless of sound quality. 

Really weird he found no value with the highly praised Kef's. 

Really weird he found no value with the highly praised Kef’s

I haven’t watched any other videos of his, just browsed, he is apparently a camera expert. Imagine if he said a flipphone takes better pictures than a Canon 5D. That’s pretty much this video for hifi. Pure trolling. 

I am here laughing at this topic for 3 reasons:

1) What the video guy said has both a lot of what I'll call general truth; and also a bit of what I'll call specific truth... The general truth is basically just a take on the law of diminishing returns; that is, that the expectation he had was that a significant (to him) cost difference should have equated to a similarly significant performance difference. And his reality (which, after all is what really matters, our own individual perceptions and opinion) did not show that direct correlation. I feel like the umbrage being felt by some here is at least partially a result of the notion that for many in the audiophile community, having a 'law of diminishing returns' at all is anathema to the hobby itself. I mean, it's almost a Biblical level commandment that a TRUE Audiophile HAS TO hear significant differences between different equipment - and ABSOLUTELY MUST hear a huge difference if additional monies have been spent...

I'll point to a quote from mswale just 2 posts prior to mine:

"I have no idea how he can not tell a difference between the lowest cost and highest cost speaker..."

Note this quote does not mention brand, model, features, speaker size / design / driver type, etc. - anything that might directly differentiate sound quality. Only cost. (sorry, mswale, not picking on you - this just caught my attention, as your comment was actually written; instead of just something that most of the other more negative commentors were thinking while they commented - but didn't actually include in their comment...)

2) Now for the 'specific truth' part (which I am surprised I did not see anyone else point out yet). The guy compared 3 amps in a cost range of about $1000 max; and speakers with a cost range of about $800 I think was the difference between highest and lowest (?)... that's not a huge difference, IMO (and look now, I am kind of taking the opposite position of #1, LOL). And, to be fair, although he said he really didn't hear any tangible difference in the amps - he was talking about specifically when using all the same features, etc. He did say that (obviously) engaging the room correction and equalization features on the top amp made an obvious difference in sound. And again, in fairness all the speakers he tested were of a very similar type (1 or 2-way bookshelves); he didn't put the KEF s against Klipsch Jubilees (for example) and then claim not to hear any difference. 

So, while I feel like what was said in the video has some general truth to it, it also needs to be said that the truthfulness of the video is specific to the rather limited range of cost... and of both the total quantity of equipment tested, and the lack of major differentiation (at least with the speakers) in terms of equipment design, etc.

Last thing that brings a chuckle is why anyone would get upset out of this guys opinion..? I don't feel like he is going to dissuade anyone from interest in this hobby; at least not anyone with serious intentions. Heck, even though I agree with some of his premise on the whole 'law of diminishing returns' thing... my own decidedly non - 'audiophile level' vintage system has been a journey of acquiring gear I desired, then evaluation of performance in my particular home environment...  and yes, changing out pieces, brands or models, even things like cables (!) for what usually ended up being more expensive, more reputable, and better sounding alternatives. So, essentially the same general process as a true 'audiophile'... just (admittedly) the combination of my enjoyment level / hearing quality due to age / dedication, if you will - and desire to stay in that 'vintage' 1960s - 1970s time period... leveled out at a place where I have some very nice equipment, with what most people would consider a very nice sound... just not at that definitive true audiophile level.

I'm equally sure there are others out there whose interest level, etc. will take them all the way into the audiophile realm. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

It seems that some had not understood the lesson this naive audiophile go trough...

He discover that room acoustic even if it is only speakers location makes the greatest differences between speakers in a similar bracket price ...

 Qualifying him of trolling is preposterous...

My thread is not, nor this youtube video, motivated by trolling...

I have little patience for this accusations by the way....

 

It is acoustics the greatest factor and the more impactful one ....Especially if we compare speakers in the same bracket price...

 

 As a personal anecdote:

My friend own big  Magnepan in a living room with no acoustics control...

My past speakers  Mission in my acoustics controlled room were way better  than his Magnepan...

To be clear the Magnepan well installed acoustically will beat the hell of my Mission...(  but he was only able to  produce a wall of sound where i was able to create a sound completely enveloping the listener from all side not because Mission speakers are better than Magnepan, they are not, but because of the power of acoustics parameters control)

Then compared to a living room with no acoustic optimization for the Magnepan, my Mission in a very good optimization room for them beat them by a huge margin...

 

The lesson of this video is a beginners audiophile discover the power of acoustics..

Not the law of diminishing return...

Not the overpricing of speakers...

Not the way to troll ....

It is why i used this video...

I dont like accusation of trolling...

 

 

when I said "Pure trolling" it was referencing the dumb video not the post. But I doubt it will help.