2020 update : JC Verdier La Platine


A recent encounter with a JC Verdier dealer as well as a recent Audiogon discussion thread led to the start of this thread. He was in my house updating my La Platine which had been in storage for ten years with thread and oil. While he has high regards for the deck, his newer clients nevertheless prefer a Techdas iii than an 'old' La Platine. Given the proliferation of expensive decks in the past dozen years, La Platine has become very much under-appreciated. 

It's clear to me that the influence of the La Platine is everywhere to be found. Specifically, the magnetic suspension system that was employed 30+ years ago. Even SOTA offers their newer decks with mag. lev. features. And if you read this review: https://www.callas-audio.nl/Callas%20Platine%20Mod%20Kit%20Review.pdf, the Continuum Caliburn uses the same concept, which was not acknowledged in Fremer's review, albeit with more sophisticated , and expensive, execution.

It is also clear to me that there is much misunderstanding of the workings of the La Platine. I for one have contributed to this. The motor of the La Platine, for example, has been much maligned. The thread drive is another aspect of the turntable that have been described as inferior. With regard to the motor and thread drive, I have been set straight by Chris @ct0517 and Lyubomir @lbelchev. Experimenting with the different types of silk threads, the tightness to the platter  and a renewed understanding of the soundness of the Philips motor have been rewarded with better dynamics and transparency. 

The funny thing is that during the past two years of re-engagement with audio, I have questioned ownership of every components in my arsenal except the La Platine. It has always been a keeper. I wonder if La Platine owners would contribute to celebrating this 'old' deck with tales, advice, and insights?

Cheers!
ledoux1238

you could be right re: the Delos but i am quite broke right now and it sounds brilliant.  I don't think I have ever had my stereo running like this.  when i adjusted the azimuth i corrected a 2 dB channel imbalance.  so now the channels match, inter mod distortion is well within spec and optimised.  vtf is cool and i used microscope to check vta.  it sounds amazing and cost me 600 AUD so i will enjoy it for a bit whilst the Silvercore SUT keeps running in.  takes ages to play 40 hours of records!

currently i have the motor on CMS footers (i like the rigidity) and the la platine is on its own feet.  there is an isolation platform (Seismion) selling locally 2nd hand i'd love to pick up but as above, no budget right now.  instead i am waiting for my local haberdasher to supply me with silk thread and cotton thread so i can try them out versus my current linen thread (which is excellent).  i hope the silk thread will just have a touch more give in it which will reduce transfer of motor vibration.

@mr_gray

Enjoy  your Delos, for 450 USD, you cannot do any better. I have a 450 USD cartridge that I cherish, an Audio Technica AT-170 ML mm vintage. Probably not as capable as a Delos, but shockingly good.

i doubt you will hear the difference between linen and silk. I pretend to hear a difference between my black silk and red viscose threads, but in truth they are both good. I think thread drive is the way to go with the original motor. But do share your thoughts when the silk threads are installed.

well surprisingly it was very easy to hear differences between the threads.

- have been running silk or linen thread.  as i suspected silk is much quieter than linen thread.  in fact after returning to linen thread for perceived dynamics, i got rid of it.  much better with silk.  extraordinarily quiet.  also using shaknspin2 the silk achieves better W&F readings and better speed stability.

- i thought to myself maybe i need to drop the spindle so i am all magnet.  i don't know how i got here but i don't think i'd heard it with zero bearing.  anyway i did just that and lo and behold!

- suddenly the music was completely "free".  i don't know what this really means but that was the sense of it.  the music unfolding with zero sense of mechanical device running.  much quieter again.  

so here we are: motor on footers, la platine on its own footers, about a mm or so play between platter and spindle, the Rocol X5 lubrication as the maker intended.  great speed stability but very much at upper end of range for motor to achieve 33.3.

- with the linen thread i had 33.3 and 45 easy.  i think with silk i will struggle to hit 45.  this is a problem but currently worth it to explore benefits of silk.

- extraordinary transparency of voice.  variable stage width according to what record i'm playing.  

All in all i reckon the la platine has many faces.  with a thick rubber belt and bearing contact it sounds alot like my garrard 401.  with silk thread, loose, and no bearing contact, it pretty much disappears and the music unfolds without impediment, without seemingly any "flavour" from the turntable.  early days but seems very nice.

@mr_gray 

Your experience on the silk drive mirrors mine. It’s very quiet, though I have not done A/B with linen in a while. And holding speed on  45’s is a struggle with loose fit. I cheat and tighten up the tension on the silk thread. 

I tried a Micro Seiki belt made by Original Live today. And sure enough it produced more noise and sounded slower. 
 

 

@ledoux1238 this is good. If we hear the same things then I think that is very reassuring. Because frankly with so many variables on the la platine, and it being quite sensitive to these variables, one could easily trick oneself. It’s perhaps tedious of me but I returned to thread lastnight due a perceived lack of dynamics with the silk. A sort of listless sound unless I had the volume turned right up. 
 

anyway at some stage thought came to me to try a double loop of silk. I’m now listening to exile on Main Street. At relatively low volume. It sounds alive. Dynamic. Transparent. And has jump. I think you should give it a shot. It’s toe tapping without sounding all thick and plastic like garrard did.