12AX7A preamp tubes - ribbed vs smooth plate


So I'm gonna buy some preamp tubes for an amplifier and now I see I have to choose between ribbed and smooth plate (nos telefunken Germany from the 60s).

Anyone have thoughts on which way I should go when I have speakers that are detailed.  

 

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I only have one component in my main system that uses this tube- Lamm ML2 SET amps. I found the ribbed plate gives a little more bite to the amp, rather than making it too silky, but upline, I’m all tube.

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Back in the day, you could buy old stock Tele 12ax7s for 10 bucks a piece. Now, the price of never used fresh old stock is ridiculous. Most people thus rely on "pulls" that test good- try to get a warranty.

FWIW, I’ve found that my bias settings on the Lamm amps are more stable with truly NOS.

My vintage system uses a bunch of 12ax7 and Tele is probably preferred. Bill Thalmann (RIP) was gracious enough to install old stock Mullard 4004s in the preamp and they sound fine in the context of that system.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news re Bill Thalmann. We took the equipment he was going to restore for me down to Virginia on our way out of NY when we moved to Texas in January, 2017. Met Bill, got a tour of the shop, he touched base while he was doing the work- restoring my old Technics SP 10 mk I (which I bought new in 1973), a pair of Quad II amps (I found the glass, including real GEC KT 66’s!) and a McI MX110z which I bought from a vendor online and had shipped directly to Bill for restoration. Sounds wonderful with my old Quad 57s which were also restored (by Kent McCollum). This is my "vintage" system in the front parlor. (Main system is in a dedicated room upstairs)

This system is a close approximation of what I ran in 1975, except I used all ARC stuff then (SP3-a-1 and Dual 75a). I still have the amp and a fresh complement of tubes that I bought from ARC back in the aughts. At some point, I’ll bring the Dual 75a back to life--it would probably play if I fired it up, but should be recapped and checked.

I didn’t know Bill well, but I really appreciated the care he put into his work and he was a gentleman in every sense of the word.

On rolling rectifiers, the Allnic H-3000 and its bigger brothers (phono stage) is very susceptible to sonic changes owing to the rectifier. I’ve tried a bunch and have several more that I’m sitting on. I did secure a NIB old metal base Mullard (really a Philips-Miniwatt from Holland)--a grail tube. It has profound bass, but at least in the circuit and system, lacked the air of my preferred GEC u-52.

 

That GEC tube is not a direct equivalent to a 5AR4, but works in the Allnic. It has a "cup" base- I have a couple of them, a brown base and a black base-which I understand may be earlier-or intended for industrial use. Not an easy to find tube in unused condition.