How do you pay? Why?



I thought maybe some light should be shed on how we pay for our purchases here and why we do them the way we do.

Personally I’m not very enthusiastic about paying extra for convenience via Paypal. It’s really no quicker as the following transfer of funds to the bank being used takes 3-5 business days after the funds hit your Paypal account… and there's that sur charge as well.

Postal money orders are fine enough but depending on the price tag, several need be acquired very often.

Cashiers check (certified funds) is my pref. One stop shopping. Right at my banking facility and the funds are secured, if lost or stolen I have but to make a call to my bank. Ever try calling the Post office? You can't. Not directly anyhow

The problem I continue to see is the ‘time frames’ being reported by sellers about how long Postal money orders, and/or cashiers checks take to be posted. I keep hearing from one day to a week or more by some accounts for these MO’s and CC’s to be posted.

Maybe my bank is special, I don’t know, hence this thread. Always when I deposit MO’s or CC’s, the funds are posted to my account within 24hr, or the next business day… sometimes immediately, depending on the time of day they are presented…. Which is fine.

Personal checks do however take lots longer. I’ve been told as much as two to four weeks by my bank.

How does your financial institution handle receipt of certified monies like Postal M.O. & Cashiers checks?

Have you asked lately, or just go online later and take a peek?

These more secured funds should surely involve less time to post than personal checks... or why bother with them in the first place?
blindjim
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My payment perspective is somewhat limited by having always been a buyer and never a seller on AudiogoN and by not using Paypal. As a buyer I have, with one exception, used cashier's checks. To reassure the seller, I always state in my e-mail that I have no problem with delaying shipment until funds have cleard because I'm not in a huge rush to get the item (true). I think the seller can also be reassured by the substance and style of your communication.

As mentioned by several posters above, the remaining negative for a cashier's check and any other form of payment, compared to Paypay, is the seller's uncertainty until the payment arrives as to whether the deal will actually go through. If I use mail, I tell the seller I will mail payment no later than the day after the deal is made. I have also used express mail or one of the private overnight delivery companies when the extra cost of the service is relatively small compared to the amount of the purchase.

The cashier's checks of BofA, which I use, have a statement printed on the back of the check that information about the check can be had by calling a given 800 number. I called myself to test it out - the service verifies the check's authenticity and its payment once that has occurred. It's a nice feature because the seller doesn't have to spend time looking up the contact information for the bank and incurs no cost for the call. As to Blindjim's concern that the telephone number might be just another part of a scam, it's not likely a small time scammer will spend the time and money and disclose the information needed to establish an 800 number.

The one time I did not use a cashier's check, I deposited directly into the seller's BofA bank account, as mentioned by Ckorody above. No fees and it is fast. The seller had on-line banking and saw the deposit hit his account within an hour after I made the deposit. As to any risk that BofA might later unwind the deposit, I believe the Bank requires that the deposit be covered by cleared funds in the account of the person making the deposit. I don't know who would bear the loss if those supposedly cleared funds were later determined not to be good.

As a buyer, the one feature of Paypal that appeals is ability to challenge a payment when it is made by credit card. However, I have seen ads that specify Paypal payment be made by a means other than credit card, probably for this very reason. I've been lucky so far that all the items I've bought have been truthfully represented and not damaged or lost in transit, so I haven't had to seek a refund. If that happens, I may start using Paypay.
Most of these posts seem to be by sellers eager to protect themselves from buyers. As a buyer, who with one exception has paid by BoA cashiers check, I recognize that the risk is entirely with me. If the seller cashes the check and sends nothing or a defective unit, I have no practical recourse. As I understand it, PayPal acts as an escrow.

So far, every purchase I've made has been an exemplary experience. I thank all those on Audiogon who continually seek the holy grail of audiodom, thus making nice used equipment available at reasonable cost to the rest of us. My next purchase will by an Ayre C-5xe, and Esoteric AV 60, or a Sony XA-9000ES. Hope I don't get screwed.

db
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I agree with Tvad. As a buyer, the only advantage that Paypal offers is that you can use a credit card for private sale. I've had two major 'problems', when buying on AudiogoN. I've actually had more 'problems', but it only becomes a 'major' problem when the seller is uncooperative and/or misleading.

In these two cases, Paypal was of absolutely no use whatsoever. They make it very clear, that all the seller has to do is send you a package. It could be a box of rocks for all that Paypal cares.

The credit card bank however was a large help. In both cases, the bank wiped the charges off of my account, and had me ship the items to Paypal. That leaves the bank and myself in the clear, and the dispute then is between Paypal and the seller.

So the only real service that Paypal does supply, is the ability to use a credit card for private sales. On large purchases, I find the 3% fee well worth it, if for security purposes alone. The security comes from the credit card though, not from Paypal.

Regards,
John