Apogee Mini Grand Questions


I'm looking at a used pair of apogee Mini Grands locally.
They appear mint, very well taken care of. I've heard the Calipers before & I did like them a lot. My video (living)
room is 32' by 13' feet with video at one end, these will be set up in 2 channel at the other end. I'll audition them w/my Aragon 4004MKII &/or Pass Aleph 2s. I've been told these have an internal crossover. I can borrow a Pass X-350 from my friendly local dealer if I want....
Any suggestions on setting up these Apogees to get them dialed in quickly? I can audition them for a few days.

Thanks!

Daniel
danielk141
I am no expert on the Stages, but do know they love a large, spacious room. I once heard them in a huge room and they were: to die for. My only suggestion is to put them way out into the room and let them breathe. They were driven by Krell (which I know was Jason Bloom's favorite.)

Good luck and enjoy.

Richard

More info: http://www.ApogeeAcoustics.com

Throw away the subs, they are worthless.
For laughs, look inside at how they were built
(they sound as bad as they were built).
Stages are fantastic, but Mini Grands are not.
Apogee's are light, delicate, transparent, and have great air.
The Mini Grand subs are the exact OPPOSITE. Booming mess,
and the cheap x-over they come with does not help.
Buy a set of Stages, preferably with Stage stands, and then go
with a Muse Model Eighteen subwoofer or an Entech.
If it's mostly for video than maybe just a Velodyne instead.
Note: I have owned several pairs of Stages and used them with and with out subs.
Entech produced the best sound with them (need a very fast sub to keep up with them!).
Good luck, and be CAREFUL if using Stages in a video application
(damage the ribbons and you will be in trouble).

More info can be found here: http://www.ApogeeAcoustics.com

I used the Mini Grands for my main system for 7 years. I loved them for there uncanny midrange and lifelike imaging, and hope you get a chance to hear them set up near optimal. There should be an external DAX crossover that matches output between subs and ribbons for amps differing in sensitivity (or for personal taste). The crossover also cuts the signal to the ribbons below 80 Hz (If memory serves me correct). You will need two amps to drive the system.

As far as dialing them in quickly, that will be difficult. Allow 48” minimum from back walls, and experiment with toe-in, but not more than an inch or so. Even if your listening seat is only 8’ from the speaker, allow at least that much space between the speakers. Listening height is critical for proper balance, but the rake of the speaker can be adjusted to compensate (Apogee included a plumb-bob to help get both speakers matched). Very minor adjustments can yield incredible results, and can be dialed in more quickly as you become accustomed to their capabilities. For maximum impact, work at positioning the panels for midrange magic, and realize that, with time, the rest of the system can achieve equal articulation and transparency.

Keep speaker cable runs short to the ribbons, (I butted mono blocks up to the rear of the panels) they need lots of current, so opt for a smaller gauge (fatter wire)… technology be damned.

Hope this helps…
Thanks for the quick response! Binaural, you are right, there is an external "Mini Grand Dax" that goes w/the speaker. My friend picked up the Dax today & I'll try it tomorrow. The owner of these speakers is also selling Martin Logan Monoliths & a Muse Model Eighteen sub...
I believe he used the Muse w/the Monoliths..
This guy is selling a bunch of gear to get Watt/Puppies...

Daniel
Man, talk about experienced advice, from a prior Apogee dealer no less, falling on deaths ears.
BTW, the cheap Mini Grand "DAX" is the cross over, as referred to in my prior post.
Embarrassing that they call this is a DAX, as to imply it is anything similar in quality of a real DAX.
Truthful advice is not always what one wants to hear, simply it is what one needs to hear, which is the opposite way the bulk of the hi-end audio business is run.
Mini Grands flopped. Why? Subs and the mini DAX are close to worthless, and to make things worse, they had to live up to the standards of the Stages. We used the Stage subs as stands.