Aesthetix IO Signature upgrade path?


As a very happy owner of an Aesthetix IO Signature, I am pondering the need for either the second power supply option or going the full Eclipse Upgrade for IO Signature. I kind of like not having to worry about the space required for a second power supply, but that thought is alluring to me, from what I have read, two power supplies do make the music that much better. So how would the Eclipse upgrade compare to a straight IO Signature with two power supplies? Any and all thoughts are welcome.
Thanks in advance.
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Audioquest4life
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Hello Mr. Porter

I did talk to Glen and tried to pick his brain a bit to see what is entailed with the upgrade, as I was trying to see if I can just replace the caps. I read on one of the pages what all is involved in the signiture upgrade, both the article and Mr. Glen say there is a resistor mod that goes along with the cap upgrade as this is needed and voiced to fine tune the sound. My concern is that its not just a cap upgrade which I can do but also a resistor mod to make it work properly. Any ideas on this ? We did the resistor upgrade that was required (which by the way my client and myself do not like, wishing we could go back to the original resistors)I really appreciate your input. Otherwise I guess my client will have to send it in which is I think a little overpriced. But I have heard it and sounds great, more open, better detail and tonality, better dynamics. and this was the version with the red caps I understand the newer even better caps are the gold ones, is that also true ? and have you heard the difference between the two ? Thanks again

basically Im trying to see if there is a resistor mod that must be done along with the caps to make it work properly. Also would you be willing to talk to my client about this and the sound bennefits you are experiencing ?

Thank you
Kevin
Ohjoy40,

Unfortunately I did not make note of resistors after the factory full eclipse upgrade.

If Glenn says there is a resistor upgrade that goes along with the new caps, I believe him. That being said, the resistors are ordinary compared to the caps, so if you can find those values you're set.

The new caps are shiny gold colored, superior to the red ones. I've heard just about every version of the IO and Callisto and the full Eclipse is certainly the best.

The new full Eclipse chassis is superior workmanship and beauty but it's horribly expensive and in my system did not show much if any performance upgrade.

I had the full eclipse with my original metal, I was one of the beta testers. Later I had full Eclipse metal on that same unit. That experience is what I base my chassis performance comments upon.

I have interior shots of the full Eclipse upgrade where caps are shown in great detail if that helps, email me through Audiogon and I'll send them to you.

On the resistors, the Mills are a more pure sound, I agree.

Problem was Mills had so many noise issues (that Aesthetix got blamed for) they could no longer trust sourcing them and then spending shop time solving problems. That's why they switched to Roederstein.

I considered testing premium resistors in the circuit but never got around to it. That's about the only performance paths I did not persue before selling my Aesthetix.
Good information thank you Mr. Porter

We were trying to do the upgrade without having to spend the crazy amount thier asking. I think were also wanting to ether go back to the original resistors or something else, we both feel the resistor change was a huge step backwards. It sounds dead compared to the way it originally sounded. I have a feeling that there really is no resistor tweek but I think im afraid to take the chance.

What phonostage did you end up switching to and why ? Hard to amagine anything close to the Aesthetix.

Thanks again for all the good info
Kevin
Ohjoy40,

I don't understand the technical issues requiring resistor swap when caps are upgraded but perhaps Glenn would elaborate. It might be worth a few minutes on the phone.

If you're sold on the Mills sound I would put them back in. I've installed new Mills resistors during an upgrade I was authorized by Aesthetix to do, it's not a difficult job.

I don't know if anyone has warned you, but NEVER plug or unplug the umbilicals from Aesthetix power supply and main unit within 15 minutes of having been turned on. It will blow a rectifier and not a pleasant job to repair.

Also, be VERY careful of high voltages inside both the Io and Callisto. There are places where voltage exceeds 500, 600 and even 1000 volts. I had a piece of skin burned off in about a millisecond when I was not paying close attention with the lid off.

I agree Aesthetix is superb, no need to swap for other equipment if you are happy with it. I was a dedicated Aesthetix user for about 10 years and Jim White is a great guy.
What phonostage did you end up switching to and why ?

I did not mean to evade your question. I only swap equipment for superior performance and/or reliability.

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