recommendations for TT + arm + cart, around $3.5k


Hi all - I'm looking to upgrade a Rega P1 to something more substantial. My setup (currently being upgraded):

Focal 1027Be Speaker
Rogue Audio M-180 Tube amp
Peachtree Audio Nova preamp/DAC
Rega P1 with NAD PP2 phono stage

Can anyone recommend some turntables that I should check out? I know comparing the P1 with something in the $3.5k price range is wildly unfair, but FWIW it's sound is too soft for me, so I'm looking for something on the brighter side. I listen to all kinds of music, with the bulk being rock/jazz/country/folk and a little classical of late).

I plan to upgrade the phono stage in the not-too-distant future, but I'd like to get the table sorted first. Budget of, say, $3500 all-in (table + arm + cartridge).

TIA!

Justin
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Were I in your place Justin, assuming that you are not trying to establish your analog source as some type of reference system and are only trying to adjust tone a bit I would explore some old mm cartridges that might just give you a very accurate reflection of what is on the disc.

The only problem is that 1) You have to be sure that the cartridge's compliance matches the mass of your tone arm, and 2)and that these cartridges are cheap and not exotic! No bragging rights! :-) Just recall they were very popular 30+ years ago and are still available, for example some Stanton and Shure cartridges (I forget the numbers but with the Stantons they were something like 681 and or 881 and the Shure M97(?). I used some models from them for years back before the profusion of MC cartridges and was quite happy. I felt they were neither warm nor additive.

While I can understand your situation and have certainly gone thru more than my share of upgrades, analog is one of the areas where nothing is plug and play. The design of your stylus/cartridge demands an arm of a certain design. The design of an arm demands a certain type of TT. Often a one system purchase from a manufacturer can be your best bet, so long as you are satisfied with the actual sound when you plug it into your phono stage (which should be in sync, sonically, with your cartridge OR you know to and be able to modify the tone of the cartridge to give you the sound you want. For example I use tube phone stages and can change tubes to change tones).

Cheap and simple works but, unfortunately, it usually takes work on your part to make it so.

Now to give you a WAG about what is currently available on the market that might work for you (with the right cartridge added) think of the newest TT/Arm by VPI called the Classic. Worth looking into as are some of the Older "Scout" series. I'd also look at the lesser Nottinghams, a TT design I really like, maybe not so much the arm, but then I'm not sure how much I'd like the arm that comes with the Classic either.

Now life gets really complicated for you..........:-)
Great info, Drrsutliff and Newbee - very cool.

I was going to hold off on the phono preamp, as eventually I will upgrade my Nova (as a pre) to , and figured I'd wait a bit as whatever that might be, could have a decent phono preamp. I could just look for a better phono preamp now, and see how that works out, and then think about the next step.

I've been reading about the Classic, and my local hifi guy SWOONS over it! I'm not sure about the aesthetics though - I could take it or leave it. Is there a strong reason to prefer the Classic to the Scouts, gun-to-the-head (I know - gotta hear them, but I mean in terms of construction, features that I may care about later when I get more involved with the TT and learn about proper setups, etc)?

Cheers!

Justin
Clearaudio Performance SE and Benz Glider should solve the upgrade bug for awhile.
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You also may want to take a look at Nottingham. Right now you can get a 294 or Hyperspace for under $3K. Add a cartridge and you have a very nice system. Down the line you can add a different tonearm (generally considered to be the weakest part of the Nottingham) like SME, Graham, Moersch etc.. and you've kicked things up a notch to an extremely nice system. I've seen some real good prices on Nottinghams lately. I think some of this is due Nottingham being between US distributors. Nott's don't have a lot of "flash" or "buzz". They are just very solidly engineered tables that should last a long time.