Most popular TT upgrades: skeptical but curious...


1. DeepGroove subplatter.
2. Subplatter ball.
3. Acrylic platter.
4. Michell Techno Weight
5. Plinth legs/pucks/cones etc.
6. Various record clamps and weights.
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1. To remedy speed instability, otherwise useless?
2. Unless original is worn-defective, why bother?
3. Curious to hear if it makes sound better?
4. Baffled. How swapping metal bolts at the end of the arm affects the sound? What are the physics behind it?
5. May be helping to level the table, otherwise useless?
6. Clamps. They seem to do exact opposite of what TT mat suppose to do. Why clamps?

I am not trying to start an argument for the sake of argument. I am interested in improving my Rega P3 as much as other guy. I am just one of those people who needs to know the method behind the madness before plunging.:)
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05-14-08: Rccc
Im not policing your post Im simply pointing out your observations are audio folklore that should have been put to bed years ago instead of being perpetuated on the internet.
This "pointing out" of "observations [that] are audio folklore" and that they "should have been put to bed years ago" are the very definition of being the Posting Police.

As for whether stylus drag has an audible effect, why do most audiophile turntable designs try to do something about it, sometimes going to extreme measures? Why do some belt-drive turntables have platters so heavy (for the flywheel effect) that they have to use opposing magnets or air bearings to keep their 40-80 lb. platters from grinding down conventional bearings? Why are direct drive turntables servo controlled? Why did Teres introduce the Certus drive (which they go to great lengths to explain how it addresses audible stylus drag)? Why do enthusiasts seek out the old pro quality idler drive turntables? It seems to me a lot of thought and effort goes into addressing stylus drag, from designers to users, while you make it sound like I'm the lone crackpot.

Enter "stylus drag" in Google and you'll get 37 screens' worth of returns, including references to John Watkinson's book, "The Art of Sound Reproduction." Enter "John Watkinson" and "Art of Sound Reproduction" and you'll get 6 screens' worth for that very specific entry alone.

I suppose, however, that you could pronounce this audio/video consultant and author "not credible" if you choose to, but that would be arbitrary and subjective too, wouldn't it?
Don't forget the TWL hi-fi mod. A search of the archives will reveal much discuss of the cheap (as in a couplpe of bucks) and easy mod along with plenty of explanation.
"This "pointing out" of "observations [that] are audio folklore" and that they "should have been put to bed years ago" are the very definition of being the Posting Police."

Thanks for the clarification, I didnt know that was the definition.

Enter "stylus drag" in Google and you'll get 37 screens' worth of returns,

Enter Bogey man you get 883000
But of course you are correct, my apologies
Here is a thought about record mats and clamps. Only use clamp or solid material mat (vinyl, acrylic, kryptonite) if your table is reference range quiet . I mean your bearing and motor and spindle and belt etc., etc. are all silent.
Coupling record to solid surface with some extra down force (from clamps)would, IMHO , only increase noise coming from the table drive gear.

I could not find a good picture of :TWL's Hi Fi Mod.
I appreciate if anyone has a link to pictures.

Thanks.