"The Mystery Of Sound Is Mysticism"


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«Acoustic cues for perception “represent a narrow-minded
way of thinking which leads us into a blind alley when faced
with the problem of discovering the real nature of the
auditory mechanism.” [1].
The Pythagorean string ratio theory is the pivot around
which revolve all work in hearing [2; 3]. In this regard,
Stephen & Bates [4]: noted: “Pythagoras’ discovery, instead
of acting as a stimulus for further experiments became the
basis of fantastic philosophical and mathematical
speculations such as the famous “harmony of spheres”, and
so for another 2000 years, sound was mainly involved in a
semi-mystical arithmetic of music.” The situation has not
changed today. After all, Ohm’s Acoustical Law [5], and
Helmholtz’s Resonance/Place Theory [6], both reflecting
perception by ratios of stimulus magnitude, are the acoustical
and neurophysiological facets of the string ratio theory. The
difficulties encountered in the search for acoustic cues to
perception, whether in music or speech, have led many
investigators to label the objective “elusive” [7] or
“ambitious” [8]. The ecological approach is presumably
promising [9, 10, 11, 12]; and recent researchers, following
in the footsteps of Pythagoras, have conducted mechanically-
based investigations into pitch perception [13, 14, 15, 16,
17]. However, rather than seek out the invariant property of
the sound source that underlies subjective pitch, modern
investigators focus the effects of individual mechanical
parameters of the sound source on frequency of vibration, or
the relationship between the vibratory modes of the entire
sound source and pitch, all as though vibrational frequency
were invariant with pitch. »

Akpan J. Essien

The Mechanical Invariance Factor in Musical Acoustics and
Perception (Revisited)

This article adress is in my post above ...

hilde45 are you here ?

Do you think my post about acoustics are only about room panels ?😁

Now instead of insulting me why not reading and linking all that information together in this 7 posts and i will help you to understand without insulting or sulking you ...

And i will link together this information here and the relation with A. I. in the thread about A.I. and music where you quitted because i gave too many posts it seems ..

perhaps instead of insulting people discussing is better ...

Thanks

 

By the way if you had not begun to understand yet, this last news about the Cambridge study confirm many other works as Akpan J. Essien work on the yoruba speaking drums and physical basis invariant perception pertaining to the sound source which will revolutionize the way we understand sound erroneously since Pythagoras......

 

13 posts in a row by the same member.

I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in being trapped in your tiny apartment.

This is a forum, not a psychiatric hospital.

Get some help. 

I just put a very important research which is news in acoustic science and my patronizing friend said :

13 posts in a row by the same member.

I’m sorry, but I’m not interested in being trapped in your tiny apartment.

This is a forum, not a psychiatric hospital.

Get some help.

Anybody with a brain will thank me for these interesting information and news and will discuss with me about them but not our chief patronizing very well known corrector of text Hilde45...

Perhaps you are right i like the truth, perhaps i am nuts...I dont exclude that possibility .. 😊

But sorry you are wrong the information above as the information in your thread about A.I. and music are not a "tiny apartment"...

You are not ashamed by your insults ?

Suppose someone with a working brain read these interesting information, are you not afraid of what he will think about your insults ?

By the way these 13 posts contains almost only objective information... Did you remark? and almost no comments from me save to help the readers ...

The dude who ramble as an idiot is you not me...

You are not very wise and you are mean... I invite you in this thread to help you and go on a conversation finally at last about an acoustic discovery a very important one and the only post you gave is an insult as you did few times since a week now ...

«Bears have only one skin»--🤓Groucho Marx

😁😊

 

 

13 posts in a row by the same member.

I’m sorry, but I’m not interested in being trapped in your tiny apartment.

This is a forum, not a psychiatric hospital.

Get some help.

 

i am flabbergasted reading this article ..

 We see that the esthetic experience  linked to music experience dont lie in an abstract conception , a Pythagorean one, about Harmony reduced to his mathematical Ratios but to the body itself as a whole not only when  playing an instrument  singing, dancing , but even listening ...

if you relate this important article to the Cambridge study above and then go reading the Akpan J. Essien article about a new theory of hearing the sound source , an ecological theory of sound not based on just Fourier mapping.you will understand why this is very important revolution  in music understanding but also Acoustic ..

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121

 Read the conclusion of this important article about a statistical research in music perception :

 

«We conclude that music induces consistent bodily sensations and
emotions across the studied Western and East Asian cultures.
These subjective feelings were similarly associated with acoustic
and structural features of music in both cultures. These results
demonstrate similar embodiment of music-induced emotions in
geographically distant cultures and suggest that music-induced
emotions transcend cultural boundaries due to cross-culturally
shared emotional connotations of specific musical cues. We argue
that bodily experience, which may arise from skeletomuscular
activity and changes in the physiological state of the body, plays a critical role in the elicitation and differentiation of music-induced emotions.»