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Sharing a subwoofer between a Stereo and HT combination.

Looking to improve my Stereo playback in a limited space apartment.

Presently have a Denon AVR X3700H and I use it for Stereo in Pure Direct Mode for Stereo, and in a 5.1 configuration for HT.

Would like to improve the Stereo playback, and considering options.

1. Add a better stereo amplifier for just the Front L/R speakers.

2. Add a better Integrated with HT bypass for Stereo to the existing.

3. Add a Preamplifier with HT bypass and a Stereo amplifier to the existing.

Option 1 is obviously the simplest, and is the easiest starting point. Would use the existing pre of the AVR, and the bass management of the AVR and sub. Disadvantages are that the Pre is not the best and sub integration with the FRONT L/R with the separate amp likely not balanced at all volume levels in both stereo and HT modes.

Options 2 and 3 can provide better Stereo, but I am having trouble sorting out how the subwoofer integration will work for the Home Theater configuration.

Has anyone worked thru this and have any suggestions for subwoofer integration? Best Stereo integration, and reasonable HT integration at various volume levels. 60db to 80db average.

At the moment I am favoring Rouge Audio and Hegel as the component items for the Stereo system, either as integrated or separates. Would also consider Parasound and Anthem.  The Hegel integrated would require an additional unity gain pre to provide all the inputs I would ultimately like to accommodate.

Heard the Hegel H390 at my local dealer, and was blown away by the sound. Not sure I can afford to go that route, but am considering the Hegel H190 with the hope of the same sound. Adding a unity gain pre to get more inputs is a complication. As a result would consider the Hegel P20 and H20 to get the Hegel sound with separates.

Could not hear the Rogue Audio components in a similar configuration in the same room, but considering the Rogue Audio Pharaoh as an integrated, or the RP-1 and Hydra as separates. Maybe all the way to the RP-5 and Dragon as separates. Heard the Rogue Audio Sphinx V3 versus the Hegel H95, and liked the Rogue better with the same speakers (Revel Concerta2 M16). Also heard the Rogue Pharaoh with a Rogue pre, but a different configuration, speakers, and room, with different input, but liked the sound.

Have not heard comparable Parasound or Anthem configurations. Have an Anthem AVX 510 that was replace by the Denon when it went in for a repair. Like it’s sound, and used it as a test of the pre outs from the Denon into the Anthem for stereo, and that led to more exploration. I know, no amplifier ins on the Anthem, so not a sustainable configuration, but gave me ideas. The Anthem is outdated for video, so haven’t put it back in the main system. Looked at the Anthem STR integrated, but the HT bypass also shuts off the subwoofer integration. That is largely what led me to the issue of subwoofer integration with a multi use set up.

As I understand at the moment, it would seem that the best integration of the subwoofer would be to connect the subwoofer to line level outputs of the stereo system, and optimize the subwoofer there. Set the HT as a 5.0 and make sure the fronts are set as full range to use the Stereo as the front L/R with HT bypass.

Any hints or tips welcome. Note: I do not have the space for 2 separate listening environments, and do not foresee that in my remaining lifetime. If you look at some of what I have listed here, the price range goes from $2k up to $8-10K, so consider that a range. Tube pre OK, but not sure I am ready for all tube amp. Present speakers not optimal for tube. May update speakers, but will likely still be bookshelf’s as the space and room layout cause more issues with full range floor standers. Only path I would see to tube amps would be to go to single driver full range speakers.

budjoe
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I disagree with those that feel the pre in a well-made AVR is terrible. Mine has been quite engaging.

@larryincmh I’m sure it sounds fine, but you should still try a good stereo pre as it’ll make a sizable improvement, and you won’t know what you’re missing until you hear it. Years ago I inserted a good stereo preamp that relieved 2-channel duties from my Rotel prepro that was likely better than the pre section of your AVR, and the performance increase was substantial across the board. Pre sections of AVRs are hugely compromised by poor power supplies, noisy electronic and digital signals, and low quality parts — in short, they’re designed to do a lot at a low price point hence all the necessary compromises. When all those compromises are removed with a stereo pre it’s very easy to hear the improvement and very well worth at least trying.  One of the most important things I learned while reviewing audio equipment is preamps matter, and matter a lot.

budjoe OP
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Thanks to all replies. It looks like there are 3 solutions, but with some restrictions.

1. Parasound Halo P6 preamp, and the Parasound Hint6 both have 2 sub line level or LFE bypass inputs as well as the HT bypass inputs. Will check them out at the local dealer. It does limit the choice of integrated or pre. Thanks to @frl for pointing that feature out.)

2. Rythmik subwoofer has both line level, and LFE inputs. In HT bypass, the Line level would be active from the 2 channel integrated or pre, and in HT the LFE would be active. Both can stay connected at the same time. (Approved by Rythmik). Does limit subwoofer choice. Thanks to @tommyr1963 for pointing this out.

3. Anthem STR pre also offers subwoofer HT bypass, but at the loss of other analog inputs. @gkelly is trying that route. Hopefully he will post his experience.

I am not including the use of added switches to select input for the subwoofer. A choice I want to avoid, and haven’t looked to see if any offer remote control or other means to switch them. I guess a unity gain preamp could fill that role, but a lot of wire to solve what should be a simple problem.

Will do some hearing comparisons of the Parasound products. Will also see if they have any of the Anthem to demo (they are an Anthem dealer). I’m inclined to replace my existing sub with a Rythmik and choose other components for the 2 channel sound I am looking for. Will see what listening to the Parasound and Anthem choices reveal.

buellrider97
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  Ha ha , I’m having flashbacks. I went down this road , but I had a large living room. By the time I threw in the towel I had a Yamaha RX-V amp, Sony Blue Ray, JBL 4312A mains, Klipsch Heresy II rears, Klipsch RC center and sub. Also a Panasonic Plasma an Oppo 105 and Sound Anchor stands. Super Audio CD’s and DVD concerts were particularly enjoyable, plus no neighbor issues. I was able to go back and forth between surround and stereo with a button on the amp, you would hear a loud click. I did not experience any sub integration issues.                                                                                                        At this point I lost interest and bought a modest tube integrated and paired it with the JBL’s , the dvd player and the sub. I used that for about 2 years and then thought low powered tubes and single driver. I went to a Rogue RP-1, Had Inspire, and Zu Omens. I purchased a Schiit Bifrost Uber to top it off. I then played with cables and rolled tubes for the next few years. I’ve added a Thorens TT, Schiit Yiggy and a Richard Grey power filter. So my wisdom to share is that my little system is VERY enjoyable for low level late night listening.  When I’m in the sweet spot it’s more enjoyable than my Audeze headphones. And if you buy any of the Rogue items you listed pull the JJ’s and pony up for some Telefunkens they are a must. Today I rotate a small 60 wpc DYI SS amp and enjoy absolute Mid Fi bliss. Cheers, Mike B. 

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