What is meant exactly by the description 'more musical'?


Once in awhile, I hear the term 'this amp is more musical' for some amps. To describe sound, I know there is 'imaging' and 'sound stage'. What exactly is meant by 'more musical' when used to describe amp?

dman777

Thanks for your interest but i posted already many post about musicality in this thread ...😁

And yes it help to be an artist ... As medecine based on science is an art , acoustics based on pure science may be also an art ...

And even listening is an art ...

Only  transhumanist could think that replacing the human part of science which is art by an artefact could dream about the replacement of all artists by machine and anyway the end of mankind for a meaningless nightmare ... but i am out of the matter as often ... I apologize ...

My best to you ...😊

@mahgister would love to hear your perspective on this.

@tunefuldude You should do some reading about Lyngdorf’s approach. 

Thanks, I will take a look. Sort of set on keeping my Coda power amp though, I am quite taken by it. 

@mahgister I find it interesting, what you have to say about medicine. Are you a doctor of some sort?

My experience is that traditional medicine here in the US has become much more about the science and almost devoid of art. I think doctors who participate in managed care have their hands tied behind their back when it comes to the art part because they're so bound by protocols. This is what I've been told by other doctors who've sought my help along the way.

The reason I appreciate what you say about the art and science is because I practice a type of healing that I perform with my hands, which gives it a very heavy artistic component. And that's something I love about the work I do, it's very much a science, but imo even more of an art, which is why it's been such a rewarding career for me personally.

The objective of the treatment is to restore as much of the normal movement of the tissues of the musculoskeletal system as possible, and the lesion that I'm treating with my hands is the restriction in the vertebral joint. As the normal movement is restored to whatever degree possible, it allows the body to do what it was intended to do in the first place, which is to heal itself.

@hilde45 I think I can boil this down a bit. In the text below, I'm repeating myself in several different ways.

For a designer's point of view, if they understand the rules of human hearing perception, they can design (if they understand the technology well enough), an amplifier, preamp or loudspeaker that will be deemed musical by those that hear it.

This is because the rules of human hearing perception are universal.

People ascribe taste to music itself. That's different. They might also want to hear more or less bass, more or less treble. That is still in the realm of taste, providing:

The distinction I am making is that as long as tonality is not induced by distortion, in particular the higher frequencies, then the amp or whatever will be deemed musical. If tonality comes from tone controls and is not induced by distortion, that is perceived as 'taste'.

It took me a while to understand how distortion imparts tonality. I've come to the conclusion that if a designer is pragmatic about that, then that allows access to designing an amp or whatever that will be musical, having nothing to do with taste (which has everything to do with the signal you put thru that amp or whatever).

Does that make more sense to you? This really isn't about philosophy and rabbit holes. Its simply the distinction between taste and common physiology.

Thanks for your kind interest toward me ...

We will go along well because i know for a fact without being a doctor that healing and preventive medecine had nothing to do with corporate medecine controlled by big pharma from the Flexner report till today ...

Because you want to heal you know that medecine cannot be reduced to chirurgy nor to artificial corporate drugs exclusively made for profit ...i think Hells Angels bikers are chorus boys compared to big corporations ...

medecine is an art as any human activities coordinating the two part of our brain and our heart together ...

I recommend to you a book because it was my job all my life with the students : man and Mammals by wolfgang schad ....if you read it you will be astonished ...You can also bought but it is costlier his mammoth 2 books :

https://www.amazon.com/Threefoldness-Humans-Mammals-Toward-Biology/dp/0932776647/ref=sr_1_2?qid=1700338051&refinements=p_27%3AWolfgang+Schad&s=books&sr=1-2

This is a transformative books ...

the art to advise and motivate students was in the way to advise to them the right book at the right time ...

here a description :

«The result of over 50 years of research, Threefoldness in Humans and Mammals is the beautiful, authorized edition of Wolfgang Schad’s life’s work. In chapter after chapter of this monumental two-volume work, Schad demonstrates in detail how the dynamic concept of the threefold organism―first described by Rudolf Steiner a century ago―sheds new light on aspects of mammals, including size, form, coloration, physiology, embryonic development, behavior, and habitat. Indeed, he shows how the threefoldness of the organism―comprised of the polarity of nerve-sense and metabolic-limb systems and the mediating circulatory-respiratory system―is a key to understanding the extraordinary diversity of our closest animal relatives.

Reading this book, we experience a growing sense of satisfaction―even wonder―realizing that each species, through its unique constitution, actually explains itself, that right down to specific features such as dentition and coloration, it is a unique embodiment of the threefold organization. In addition, we begin to experience the threefold organism itself―not as an abstract, rigid thought construct that allows us to determine a mammal's taxonomy, but as a creative lawfulness that comes to one-sided expression in each species.

Thus, Wolfgang Schad follows in the footsteps of Goethe, who said of his scientific pursuits: “The ultimate goal would be to grasp that everything in the realm of fact is already theory.... Let’s not look for something behind the phenomena―they themselves are the theory.”

In the first volume, a masterful, comprehensive description of the threefold human organism lays the foundation for an in-depth consideration of the most familiar groups of mammals, including stunning chapters on antelopes and deer with their horns and antlers, as well as a concluding chapter on mammals’ intimate relationship with their natural environment.

The second volume begins with chapters on the more primitive mammals and continues with studies of mammalian embryology, milk, emotional life, and relationship to death. The author then returns to the theme of human threefoldness in the final chapter. The balanced threefoldness of the human organism contrasts with its extraordinarily diverse, though one-sided, expressions in the mammals, which in turn emphasize aspects of our own humanity. A growing awareness of this intimate reciprocal relationship leads to a deepening empathy for our animal brothers and sisters.

The reader will do well to begin with the first chapters in volume 1, which introduce the main recurring motifs and build throughout the book. Although the content includes a great deal of specialized knowledge, it is presented in language accessible to the general reader. The text is richly illustrated with well-chosen photographs and drawings. Numerous diagrams illumine the dynamic interrelationships within various groups of mammals.

This two-volume set is protected in a handsome slip case. In both form and content, this is a classic edition of a groundbreaking work that should find its place in every home, school, biology department, and library.»

my respectful salutations

@mahgister I find it interesting, what you have to say about medicine. Are you a doctor of some sort?

My experience is that traditional medicine here in the US has become much more about the science and almost devoid of art. I think doctors who participate in managed care have their hands tied behind their back when it comes to the art part because they’re so bound by protocols. This is what I’ve been told by other doctors who’ve sought my help along the way.

The reason I appreciate what you say about the art and science is because I practice a type of healing that I perform with my hands, which gives it a very heavy artistic component. And that’s something I love about the work I do, it’s very much a science, but imo even more of an art, which is why it’s been such a rewarding career for me personally.

The objective of the treatment is to restore as much of the normal movement of the tissues of the musculoskeletal system as possible, and the lesion that I’m treating with my hands is the restriction in the vertebral joint. As the normal movement is restored to whatever degree possible, it allows the body to do what it was intended to do in the first place, which is to heal itself.